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Originally posted by @chaney3
Well, regarding a 'main message', I have a hunch that if Jesus was really crucified, then all of mankind benefits. No strings attached.

Originally posted by @fmf
It is utterly impossible and risible to claim that one can extrapolate this as being the "main message" of the Bible.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Then I will await, with much anticipation, what Suzianne thinks the 'main message' of the Bible is.

Originally posted by @fmf
Where did you get the "no strings" idea from? Have you never read the NT in your life? It's replete with "strings".

Originally posted by @chaney3
I know. But I don't believe it.

If Jesus was really crucified for the benefit of mankind, then He would be a petty, trivial person if He put such nonsense as a 'clause' to reap the benefits.

Originally posted by @fmf
If you don't believe in the Bible, on what basis are you making these claims?

Originally posted by @chaney3
It's what makes sense.

If we are forced to believe in Jesus, or forced to love Him in order to go to Heaven, then it becomes blackmail or extortion.

Let me rephrase that. If you don’t believe in the Bible, on what basis are you talking about "Jesus" at all, and why?

Originally posted by @fmf
If you don’t believe in the Bible, where are you getting this idea that "we are forced to believe in Jesus, or forced to love Him in order to go to Heaven"?

Originally posted by @chaney3
Your pursuit of my Bible belief is neglecting the points I am making.

Is Jesus petty? Is God petty?

Are they really sending people to hell for not believing in them? For not loving them?

Originally posted by @fmf
What was wrong with the various answers the smattering of Christians here gave you on the umpteen previous times you asked these questions?

FMF: Where did you get the "no strings attached" idea from? Have you never read the NT in your life? It's replete with "strings".

Originally posted by @chaney3
I know. But I don't believe it.

Originally posted by @fmf
So you are looking for a Christian who's going to tell you that the NT says there are "no strings attached" and then you will believe - and agree with - whoever tells you this?

Originally posted by @chaney3
Ummm, no.

It's my belief.

Originally posted by @suzianne
For the record, I also thought moonbus' opening lecture to cheney was quite spot on advice, especially considering most advice from atheists consists only of the "wake up and smell the coffee" variety. Cheney has shown a remarkable ability to skip the main message of the Bible and focus only on extraneous things which basically mean nothing. He could definitely use a bit more direction in what his focus should be on when examining the Bible.