Originally posted by reader1107
But if you don't believe in an afterlife of any sort, nor do you seem to believe in God, then I'm not sure what the point of the conversation is. It seems as though you are already thinking that religion is absurd. Are you trying to create an absurdity spectrum? Is their any religion, political viewpoint, national group, culture, gender, or any other c fs or practices that seem absurd to "outsiders?"
Gotta go ... time to play school again!
Hold on. Let's grant that an afterlife where individuals' personalities are preserved in one fashion
or another, say by means of a soul, and those individuals go to heaven.
Let's say someone (P) on earth is suffering. Obviously, God is aware of it, but is electing not to interfere.
P's relatives start praying for Saint Somebody's intercession, and, consequently, P is healed.
Now, there are two questions in two threads. The first is, what are the means by which the Roman
Catholic authorities attribute the healing to the intercession of Saint Somebody (to which God responds
by healing P) as opposed to simply believing that God healed P irrespective of Saint Somebody's
putative intercession?
The second is (from the other thread and which interests me more), why would the intercession
have an influence on God? That is, God knows the state of P's soul, the kind of life P has led, and
so forth. In fact, it's pretty normative to believe that God instantaneously knows the state of every
one's soul. Why would intercessory prayer have any meaning at all? Do those who believe in such
prayers feel that they can change the course of God's action by virtue of them, not unlike Abraham
is reported to have negotiated with God regarding Sodom?
That's not to say that praying with an ill person is necessarily a good idea; the positive sentiment
created through knowing that you are loved and cared for is powerful for healing indeed. But that
is different than praying to Saint Somebody to confer with God such that God would make a different
decision had the prayers of Saint Somebody not taken place.
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