04 Mar '07 20:57>
I'm starting this tread because the question arose, in another thread, over whether or not God changes.
Does, can, will, or has God ever changed?
Does, can, will, or has God ever changed?
Originally posted by josephwWell, you theists think He is causally efficacious, don't you? If so, then you are committed to the stance that He can change (and does change and has changed). Just look at the Bible: it shows a God that is causally active. For example, He tortures and kills a bunch of helpless people at various places in the OT. No thing that is changeless could ever do that.
I'm starting this tread because the question arose, in another thread, over whether or not God changes.
Does, can, will, or has God ever changed?
Originally posted by LemonJelloCausally efficacious? You're kidding! I've never read that in the bible.
Well, you theists think He is causally efficacious, don't you? If so, then you are committed to the stance that He can change (and does change and has changed). Just look at the Bible: it shows a God that is causally active. For example, He tortures and kills a bunch of helpless people at various places in the OT. No thing that is changeless could eve ...[text shortened]... ied to bring up this problem of action before but was confronted by general brickwall-ishness.
Originally posted by josephwDon't be dense. If God ever causes anything to happen, then by definition God is causally efficacious. Certainly you can find instances in the Bible where God putatively caused something to happen.
Causally efficacious? You're kidding! I've never read that in the bible.
Do you realize you're calling God a murderer?
Do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Originally posted by josephwCausally efficacious? You're kidding! I've never read that in the bible.
Causally efficacious? You're kidding! I've never read that in the bible.
Do you realize you're calling God a murderer?
Do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Originally posted by LemonJelloYep, your God is a murderer. And being that murder entails temporal action, it follows that all murderers have undergone change.
[b]Causally efficacious? You're kidding! I've never read that in the bible.
You don't think the Bible reads as though God causes/has caused stuff to happen?
Do you realize you're calling God a murderer?
Yep, your God is a murderer. And being that murder entails temporal action, it follows that all murderers have undergone change.[/b]
Originally posted by ahosyneyWithout him they are nothing. He gave them their life, and he can take it any time.
[b]Yep, your God is a murderer. And being that murder entails temporal action, it follows that all murderers have undergone change.
I'm not Christian , and I don't think the bible is a word of GOD, but the idea that GOD kill people is very stupid. All humans are supposed to be GOD made. Without him they are nothing. He gave them their life, and he c ...[text shortened]... rase implies that GOD = man, which is not true. Rules you apply on humans don't apply on GOD.[/b]
Originally posted by LemonJelloThank you for nice words on me. But I don't think calling others sick is a good way to prove your point if you have one. I know you disagree with me, otherwise I wouldn't have replayed to you from the begining.
[b]Without him they are nothing. He gave them their life, and he can take it any time.
Well, I disagree. Your moral outlook is not only infantile, but it is degrading to me and all persons (well, except maybe for God, I suppose). By extension, your view is degrading to all sentient natural life forms. I realize that many theists believe (as you which is not true. Rules you apply on humans don't apply on GOD.[/b]
No, you're confused.[/b]
Originally posted by josephwIt's more that I understand logic, rather than have even a working knowledge of the bible, despite the best efforts of my family when I was young.
Right on.
For an atheist you seem to know alot about the bible. At least you know the correct answers.
Is it possible for you to narrow your objection to faith into a single issue.