Mr. Renaissance in his early spiritual blogs on perfect love shares as M. Buber writes God "may properly be addressed, not expressed", quoted in W. Herber's intro page 19. He has given answer to the paradoxal idea, whether God can make a rock too heavy to lift. Our language is beset by models not meant to be falsifiable science. If salvation is of the moment, the end times can happen anytime. But thousands of years can pass for certain events to be set down. The divide of two loves is like a legality.
C.S. Lewis wrote about the Four Loves, and Mr, Rena's blog forum on the internet archive may have a review, characterizing their relational language towards God. Lewis didn't make it about originality although it came through others who read after much spiritual works. 'Jolly beggars,' pain and pleasure are like 'glades and hedges'. A diner with foods of tearful and fancy altogether at last. This is a stark difference from Zarathustra/Zoroastrian teaching, which uses complete antagonism against the good.
Traditionally, charity is the highest form and God is a friend of charity. Every creation is included as much as it brings God credit. I will submit there are three loves. In order from greatest to least: true love, fair love, and free love. These are not necessarily discrete forms of love, as they can also be continuous.
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It is indeed difficult, if not impossible, to encapsulate the boundless in words. I am sure that is why all mystical traditions eventually fall back on poetry, and abandon prose, to express, not describe, the profundity of the experience of boundless love.
@moonbus saidI think you're correct in saying that poetry expresses "boundless love", in words, but I believe boundless love is ultimately expressed in and by a person, namely, Jesus Christ.
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It is indeed difficult, if not impossible, to encapsulate the boundless in words. I am sure that is why all mystical traditions eventually fall back on poetry, and abandon prose, to express, not describe, the profundity of the experience of boundless love.
Jesus Christ is the consummate expression of God's infinite and boundless love.
God is love.
@josephw saidHmm, not really “boundless”, is it?
Jesus Christ is the consummate expression of God's infinite and boundless love.
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb
Revelation 14: 9-10
The “Lamb” is your version of Jesus, right?
@divegeester saidDid Jesus not also curse a fig tree which did not happen to have a ripe fig for him as he passed by it?
Hmm, not really “boundless”, is it?
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb
Revelation 14: 9-10
The “Lamb” is your version of Jesus, right?
@josephw saidJesus ascended into heaven three days later, leaving desolate disciples behind. There is a better example of boundless love in the Hindu religion: Bodhisattva. This was a spirit which had attained the blessed state and was prepared to be accepted into Hindu heaven, when he saw that many other souls were not ready. SO Bodhisattva sacrificed his own salvation and vowed to stay in the incarnated state to help others until the very last mortal had made it into heaven, then Bodhisattva would go last of all. Now that is boundless love.
I think you're correct in saying that poetry expresses "boundless love", in words, but I believe boundless love is ultimately expressed in and by a person, namely, Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the consummate expression of God's infinite and boundless love.
God is love.
@divegeester saidThe word lamb is in 27 verses in Revelation. 26 times it is referring to Jesus Christ. So yes, the "lamb" is, according to the truth, Jesus Christ.
Hmm, not really “boundless”, is it?
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb
Revelation 14: 9-10
The “Lamb” is your version of Jesus, right?
Apparently your version of the lamb is a monster. That is, according to your truth.
@moonbus saidSo where is this Bodhisattva? If he is incarnate, then it seems his "attained" "blessed state" isn't so blessed. After all, without resurrection nothing is certain about a mere mythological being.
Jesus ascended into heaven three days later, leaving desolate disciples behind. There is a better example of boundless love in the Hindu religion: Bodhisattva. This was a spirit which had attained the blessed state and was prepared to be accepted into Hindu heaven, when he saw that many other souls were not ready. SO Bodhisattva sacrificed his own salvation and vowed to stay ...[text shortened]... l had made it into heaven, then Bodhisattva would go last of all. Now that is boundless love.
Jesus purchased salvation with his incarnate body for all, who believe, and sealed the deal with his own resurrection.
That is boundless love.
@divegeester saidNo doubt.
You have a different interpretation of of the scripture I quoted above?
It says what it means and means what it says.
Go learn what interpretation means.
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@josephw saidOf course, that could also be myth.
Jesus purchased salvation with his incarnate body for all, who believe, and sealed the deal with his own resurrection.
That is boundless love.
@josephw saidYou Christians just can't get your minds round the idea that Hindus have just as much invested in their belief in Hinduism as Christians have invested in Christianity, and that both religions are allegories and metaphors. There were no talking blue elephants, and the resurrection didn't really happen; Jesus is dead and his bones were laid to rest in a tomb in Jerusalem. They'd still be there, but for an unfortunate accidental discovery which was not controlled by the local archaeological authorities at the time.
So where is this Bodhisattva? If he is incarnate, then it seems his "attained" "blessed state" isn't so blessed. After all, without resurrection nothing is certain about a mere mythological being.
Jesus purchased salvation with his incarnate body for all, who believe, and sealed the deal with his own resurrection.
That is boundless love.
The proof of pudding is in the means of obtaining the pudding?
Rationalist, deductive thought helped produce early mathematical and technical 'knowledge' in residence with the theistic doctrine. Not until some late medieval retrospection did "sciences" develop, each comprised of natural disciplines, in a spread along with theology study, culture, etc.
@of-ants-and-imps saidNot really sure what you are trying to get at.
The proof of pudding is in the means of obtaining the pudding?
Rationalist, deductive thought helped produce early mathematical and technical 'knowledge' in residence with the theistic doctrine. Not until some late medieval retrospection did "sciences" develop, each comprised of natural disciplines, in a spread along with theology study, culture, etc.