@eye-of-horus-42 saidWe worship God, not the cross; the cross symbolizes the death Jesus willingly underwent for us. The cross didn't save us from our sins; the Father crushed Christ for all of our sins, so it was payment in full for us all, even yours.
Why christianity worship the cross? If a love one of mine gets killed by a knife,should I worship that knife?????.
@eye-of-horus-42 saidYour opinion of what other people think starts and stops with you.
@KellyJay I think you are wrong,the cross is everywhere people bow to it they worship,they were it,they kiss it etc,etc you see the cross everywhere,therefor why you think you're right,and and everybody is wrong ??.
@eye-of-horus-42 saidWhat case is that, that you think you know what others believe and you wish to correct them when they say no, that is not right?
@KellyJay There you are,I rest my case!!.
@eye-of-horus-42 saidThe term you’re missing is “veneration.” Orthodox Christians venerate icons, saints, the cross, and other symbols which point to the divine, but do not worship such things. Worship is reserved for the divine itself.
@KellyJay I think you are wrong,the cross is everywhere people bow to it they worship,they were it,they kiss it etc,etc you see the cross everywhere,therefor why you think you're right,and and everybody is wrong ??.
@moonbus saidIndeed.
The term you’re missing is “veneration.” Orthodox Christians venerate icons, saints, the cross, and other symbols which point to the divine, but do not worship such things. Worship is reserved for the divine itself.
@moonbus saidRegardless of how it is called, the intent of the bowing down, kneeling down or worshipping or reverence is what matters. In the end God decides, but the bible does give some indication of where to draw the line. Several passages can be quoted to show that the Catholics step over the line and into the zone of worshipping men or material things.
The term you’re missing is “veneration.” Orthodox Christians venerate icons, saints, the cross, and other symbols which point to the divine, but do not worship such things. Worship is reserved for the divine itself.
Here is one passage:
Rev 22:8-9 KJV And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. (9) Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
See that you do not do it. These are all fellowservants, even the saints of God.. All must worship God only. Personally the line is so thin and vague I rather not even venerate anyone or anything. Many people including Christians were kneeling down to BLM. People really have lost it.
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"You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven."
The book The Ancient Church by clergyman W. D. Killen concurs by saying, on page 316: “From the most remote antiquity the cross was venerated in Egypt and Syria; it was held in equal honor by the Buddhists of the East; and, what is still more extraordinary, when the Spaniards first visited America, the well-known sign was found among the objects of worship in the idol temples of Anahuac. It is also remarkable that, about the commencement of our era, the pagans were want to make the sign of a cross upon the forehead in the celebration of some of their sacred mysteries.”
@Rajk999 saidI have known Catholics who bowed down before people who had just taken communion, believing a) that the consecrated host is literally God incarnate, and b) that anyone who has eaten the consecrated host literally has God incarnate inside him.
Regardless of how it is called, the intent of the bowing down, kneeling down or worshipping or reverence is what matters. In the end God decides, but the bible does give some indication of where to draw the line. Several passages can be quoted to show that the Catholics step over the line and into the zone of worshipping men or material things.
Here is one passage:
[i ...[text shortened]... anything. Many people including Christians were kneeling down to BLM. People really have lost it.
This, IMO, is idolatry.
On the other hand, as Kierkegaard somewhere says, one who worships even a green-eyed idol in the right spirit worships the one true God. I guess that's like saying that one who calculates in the right spirit gets the right answer, even if it's 1+1=147.
Christians are a strange lot, I have to say. Getting the story straight seems to be the main occupation, rather less getting their lives in order.
@galveston75 saidThe cross is an archetypal symbol; Christians did not invent it. The four winds, the four seasons, the four points of the compass, the four elements (air, earth, fire, water), the four humors in the body, the broken cross (swastika), all these are known in many cultures in all eras.
The book The Ancient Church by clergyman W. D. Killen concurs by saying, on page 316: “From the most remote antiquity the cross was venerated in Egypt and Syria; it was held in equal honor by the Buddhists of the East; and, what is still more extraordinary, when the Spaniards first visited America, the well-known sign was found among the objects of worship in the idol tem ...[text shortened]... to make the sign of a cross upon the forehead in the celebration of some of their sacred mysteries.”
@galveston75 saidAs with everything in the Bible, if you try to read it as the Timeless Voice of the Almighty, it makes little sense; it helps to put Deut. into some historical context.
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The Hebrews underwent a spiritual journey, often conflated with a geographical one out of Egypt, from being polytheistic ancestor worshipers, to worshiping an invisible, abstract, intellectual-transcendent god, a god of justice and morality (not that the god himself is bound by this morality!) who makes a 'deal' (a covenant) with his chosen people. This was a conceptual leap, compared to the other religions of the region, where people worshiped local and tangible deities (river gods, forest gods, city-protector-spirits, etc.) which were wholly amoral and often physically present in animals or other objects. When the Jews first arrived in the Levant, they worshiped Baal and other local gods, along with the native peoples; it would not have occurred to them that those other gods did not really exist, but the Jews were charged not to pay them any mind or obeisance, and that is part of their spiritual journey as recorded in the OT.
@moonbus saidIm with you that getting the life God wants us to live is the priority, and is sadly lacking in some Christians. But once someone understands this it is also useful [not critical though], to get the story straight as well, so that sects like the Catholics cannot get you to kiss the ring of Pope and other such nonsense.
I have known Catholics who bowed down before people who had just taken communion, believing a) that the consecrated host is literally God incarnate, and b) that anyone who has eaten the consecrated host literally has God incarnate inside him.
This, IMO, is idolatry.
On the other hand, as Kierkegaard somewhere says, one who worships even a green-eyed idol in the right s ...[text shortened]... he story straight seems to be the main occupation, rather less getting their lives in order.