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    Christianity conceptualised Freewill, to bestow humanity with guilt and to prey upon that guilt.
    We have no freewill, when people realise this will they finally lay to one side this archaic worldview that we call Christianity?
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    Yes.

    Simply yes.

    Been there done that.
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    24 May '06 11:20
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Christianity conceptualised Freewill, to bestow humanity with guilt and to prey upon that guilt.
    We have no freewill, when people realise this will they finally lay to one side this archaic worldview that we call Christianity?
    You're narrowing down free will to its libertarian definition.
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  7. Standard memberHalitose
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    24 May '06 13:33
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Christianity conceptualised Freewill, to bestow humanity with guilt and to prey upon that guilt.
    We have no freewill, when people realise this will they finally lay to one side this archaic worldview that we call Christianity?
    I have no choice but to accuse you of bigotry.
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    24 May '06 13:40
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Christianity conceptualised Freewill, to bestow humanity with guilt and to prey upon that guilt.
    We have no freewill, when people realise this will they finally lay to one side this archaic worldview that we call Christianity?
    Apparently what you call Christianity and what God calls it are two diametrically-opposed concepts. Hmm, I wonder how that one will turn out?
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    24 May '06 23:271 edit
    Originally posted by Halitose
    I have no choice but to accuse you of bigotry.
    Indeed. He insinuates that guilt was created by Christianity. In reality, however, we know guilt to be part of the human condition no matter the exposure to religious preferences. He does not consider the possibility that Christianity merely comes to terms with it.
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    25 May '06 13:04
    Originally posted by whodey
    Indeed. He insinuates that guilt was created by Christianity. In reality, however, we know guilt to be part of the human condition no matter the exposure to religious preferences. He does not consider the possibility that Christianity merely comes to terms with it.
    Guilt 'is not' intrinsic!!!!!!
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    25 May '06 13:39
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Guilt 'is not' intrinsic!!!!!!
    You can't be serious. There are some who expereince no guilt. I believe the term is psycopath. Everyone has an innate sense of right and wrong. Psycopath's, however, seem to have a disorder in which this inner voice is diminished or nonexistent.
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    25 May '06 13:45
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    We have no freewill, when people realise this will they finally lay to one side this archaic worldview that we call Christianity?
    If you are right, they have no choice in that matter.
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    25 May '06 13:51
    Originally posted by whodey
    You can't be serious. There are some who expereince no guilt. I believe the term is psycopath. Everyone has an innate sense of right and wrong. Psycopath's, however, seem to have a disorder in which this inner voice is diminished or nonexistent.
    Sociopath.
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    25 May '06 23:15
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Guilt 'is not' intrinsic!!!!!!
    Are you seriously trying to say that no one knew about guilt or conceived they had free will before Christianity. I know of a stance Atheist who is a hard determinist but even he accepts that the experience of free will and guilt is universal.
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    26 May '06 11:48
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Are you seriously trying to say that no one knew about guilt or conceived they had free will before Christianity. I know of a stance Atheist who is a hard determinist but even he accepts that the experience of free will and guilt is universal.
    Guilt existed before christianity, but guilt is not intrinsic as it is a social fabrication. And freewill was not considered before the advent of christianity, as people belived in fate which is predetermined............
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