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Consciousness: Inherent or Emergent?

Consciousness: Inherent or Emergent?

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First I should say we time-bound, planet-bound people of Earth are not really in a position to determine whether consciousness is an inherent property of the cosmos, or an emergent one. Or are we?

Even looking within or being still and knowing might not lead to a conclusive or verifiable experience that could be shared or confirmed.

As for me, I think that on the long timescale we progress from the Unknowable Mind humming the Cosmos into being, from which the stars and planets and critters sprout.

As said critters sprout and develop, some of them become more clever and more aware, and maybe in some of our possible future timelines we will become less incarnate and more spiritualized by "our own" devices and aspirations.

Currently, and from here on out, I think we get to choose our own fictions. What I mean is that the more spiritualized and less incarnate we become, the more influential or relevant [not sure of the right word for this slot] our stories -- our cosmoconceptions and self-conceptions -- become. Poets a long time coming and sprouting far afield within the Original Poet.

I believe in a God of Slow Cooking (therefore no conflict between belief in a Creator/Cosmic Intelligence and astronomical theories' leisurely timelines) and that there is a gentle spiritual impetus toward growth and flowering throughout the Cosmos -- "the force that through the green fuse drives the flower" as Dylan Thomas put it (albeit in a somewhat morbid context).

About a century post-Stapledon,
CS

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@caesar-salad

Currently, and from here on out, I think we get to choose our own fictions


Though you do use the word "we" I still would ask -
Does this belief pertain also to what you have described here?

I think that on the long timescale we progress from the Unknowable Mind humming the Cosmos into being,


Or is your choice of belief the exception to the rule?

Ie. "Others have all chosen their own fiction, but not me."

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@caesar-salad said
First I should say we time-bound, planet-bound people of Earth are not really in a position to determine whether consciousness is an inherent property of the cosmos, or an emergent one. Or are we?

Even looking within or being still and knowing might not lead to a conclusive or verifiable experience that could be shared or confirmed.

As for me, I think that on the ...[text shortened]... as Dylan Thomas put it (albeit in a somewhat morbid context).

About a century post-Stapledon,
CS
To me, the evidence we have favors consciousness emerging.

The theory of evolution suggests that, for many millions of years, that there were only simple lifeforms on earth.

Big Bang cosmology suggests that the universe started out with only the most simple elements (Hydrogen, Helium) and that the rest had to be made by the deaths and births of stars. Simple elements probably don't allow for any beings that are conscious.

Of course, I don't know this for a fact. It just seems more likely than not.

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@caesar-salad

Currently, and from here on out, I think we get to choose our own fictions


Though you do use the word "we" I still would ask -
Does this belief pertain also to what you have described here?

I think that on the long timescale we progress from the Unknowable Mind humming the Cosmos into being,


Or is your cho ...[text shortened]... of belief the exception to the rule?

Ie. "Others have all chosen their own fiction, but not me."
Thank you for asking, but I think I have done a poor job of articulating a notion that I had about our possible future evolution, so please just consider it some cloudy ramblings of a daydreamer.

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@caesar-salad

Thank you for asking, but I think I have done a poor job of articulating a notion that I had about our possible future evolution, so please just consider it some cloudy ramblings of a daydreamer.


I thought you were quite articulate actually.
Maybe it seems like I was coming down too hard on you?

If consciousess is emergent in some accidental way that is amazing.

A purposeless universe somehow accidentally gave rise to a conscious being who is quite concerned for our purpose, (except maybe the most heroic hedonists).

A random and purposeless chaos causes to emerge a being quite occupied with its purpose.

How did that happen?

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