1. Standard memberRJHinds
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    Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
    Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry
    Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
    Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
    Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
    Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
    Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
    Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
    Dr. Don Batten, Plant Physiologist
    Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
    Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
    Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
    Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
    Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
    Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
    Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
    Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
    Dr. Rob Carter, Marine Biology
    Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiology
    Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
    Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
    Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
    Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
    Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
    Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
    Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
    Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
    Timothy C. Coppess, M.S., Environmental Scientist
    Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
    Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
    Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
    Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
    Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
    Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
    Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
    Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
    Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
    Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
    Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
    Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
    Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
    Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
    Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
    Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
    Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
    Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
    Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
    Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
    Dr. Andrew J. Fabich, Microbiology
    Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
    Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
    Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
    Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
    Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
    Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
    Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
    Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
    Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
    Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
    Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
    Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History
    Dr. Stephen Grocott, Chemist
    Dr. Vicki Hagerman, DMV
    Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
    Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
    Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
    Dr. John Hartnett, Physics
    Dr. Mark Harwood, Engineering (satellite specialist)
    Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
    Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
    Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
    Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
    Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
    Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
    Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
    Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
    Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
    Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
    Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
    Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
    Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
    Dr. Russ Humphreys, Physics
    Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
    George T. Javor, Biochemistry
    Dr. Pierre Jerlström, Molecular Biology
    Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
    Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
    Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
    Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
    Dr. William F. Kane, (Civil) Geotechnical Engineering
    Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
    Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
    Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
    Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
    Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
    Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
    Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
    Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
    Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
    Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
    Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
    Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
    Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
    Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
    Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
    Dr. Johan Kruger, Zoology
    Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
    Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
    Dr. John G. Leslie, Biochemist, Physician, Archaeologist
    Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
    Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
    Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
    Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
    Dr. Ronald C. Marks, Associate Professor of Chemistry
    Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
    Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
    Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
    Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
    Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
    Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
    Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
    Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
    Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
    Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
    Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
    Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
    Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918–2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research.
    Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
    Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
    Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
    Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
    Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
    Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
    Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
    Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
    Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
    Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
    Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
    Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
    Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
    Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
    Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
    Prof. Richard Porter
    Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
    Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
    Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
    Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
    Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
    Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
    Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
    Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, Physical Chemistry
    Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
    Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
    Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
    Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
    Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
    Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
    Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geology
    Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
    Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
    Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
    Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
    Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
    Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
    Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
    Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
    Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
    Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
    Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
    Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
    Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
    Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
    Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
    Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
    Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
    Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
    Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
    Dr. Stephen J. Vinay III, Chemical Engineering
    Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
    Dr. Tas Walker, Geology/Engineering
    Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
    Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
    Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
    Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
    Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
    Dr. Carl Wieland, Medicine/Surgery
    Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
    Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
    Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
    Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
    Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
    Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
    Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
    Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
    Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
    Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology
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    24 Aug '11 07:20
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
    Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry
    Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
    Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
    Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
    Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
    Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
    Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
    Dr. Don Batten, Plant Physiologist
    Dr. John Ba ...[text shortened]... Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
    Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
    Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology
    Come on, where did you get this list? Did you compile it yourself?

    Joining a bandwagon does not make the bandwagon correct.

    What I mean to say is, you do not specify if what these people believe is the literal, fundamentalist, ridiculous version of biblical creation including a 6,000 year old Earth or the more sensible evolutionary creation idea.
  3. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    24 Aug '11 07:23
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    24 Aug '11 07:30
    I googled 'how many scientists are there in the world?'. Answer:

    According to AAAS, there were 5.8 million science and engineering researchers in 2006

    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_scientists_are_there_in_the_world#ixzz1VvenKQWU

    How many in your list RJH? Two, three hundred? So thats... what, 0.005% ish?
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    24 Aug '11 08:011 edit
    Originally posted by avalanchethecat
    I googled 'how many scientists are there in the world?'. Answer:

    According to AAAS, there were 5.8 million science and engineering researchers in 2006

    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_scientists_are_there_in_the_world#ixzz1VvenKQWU

    How many in your list RJH? Two, three hundred? So thats... what, 0.005% ish?
    Many on his list are not what one would typically call 'scientists' at all, and certainly not 'science and engineering researchers'.
    For example he includes some medical Doctors.

    But he has essentially shown us that in general, the more educated you are the less likely it is that you believe in creation.
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    24 Aug '11 08:11
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Many on his list are not what one would typically call 'scientists' at all, and certainly not 'science and engineering researchers'.
    For example he includes some medical Doctors.

    But he has essentially shown us that in general, the more educated you are the less likely it is that you believe in creation.
    Oh yes, I hadn't noticed that. Best answer I got for the number of medical doctors in the world is somewhere between 10 and 15 million. That's knocking it down to less than 0.002%. I think I'm happy to accept that as a statistically insignificant proportion.
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    24 Aug '11 09:04
    The OP proves the argument that even some stupid people can complete medical school and others are even capable of picking up a Phd from one of those fine fine Christian colleges that hand out degrees with the welcome bible.
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    24 Aug '11 09:07
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation
    Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry
    Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
    Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
    Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
    Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
    Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
    Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
    Dr. Don Batten, Plant Physiologist
    Dr. John Ba ...[text shortened]... Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
    Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
    Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology
    project steve
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    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
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    sorry, this answer is so to the point and awesome i felt the need to repeat it.
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    Whether it is 0.002% or even less, it doesn't matter.

    Joining a wagon, whether the following is large or small, does not change the truth.
    For example there was a time, some hundreds of years ago, that people thought the world was flat... and only 1 or 2 thought it was round, etc. What people thought of the earth did not change it.... the truth remained that it was and is round and not flat.

    However, you may be right.... you are a legion...for you are many.
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    24 Aug '11 13:002 edits
    Originally posted by shahenshah
    Whether it is 0.002% or even less, it doesn't matter.

    Joining a wagon, whether the following is large or small, does not change the truth.
    For example there was a time, some hundreds of years ago, that people thought the world was flat... and only 1 or 2 thought it was round, etc. What people thought of the earth did not change it.... the truth remai ...[text shortened]... nd is round and not flat.

    However, you may be right.... you are a legion...for you are many.
    In fact you'd have to go back a lot further than 'some hundreds' of years to find a world where 99.998% of people thought the world was flat. Here's a pretty good summary:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth



    However, you may be right.... you are a legion...for you are many.

    Is this some sort of veiled intimation that you believe that 99.998% of scientists are possessed by demons?
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    24 Aug '11 13:17
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
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    steve was deliscoius
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    24 Aug '11 13:43
    Originally posted by shahenshah
    Whether it is 0.002% or even less, it doesn't matter.

    Joining a wagon, whether the following is large or small, does not change the truth.
    So you are essentially arguing against the OP?

    I think we can all agree that the personal opinion of people, however well educated, on a subject that they have not specialised in, does not reflect very strongly on the validity of the subject.

    However, if the subject under discussion is something that is at least well understood by the people in question and even better, within their field of expertise, then I think numbers is an important indicator of validity, especially if we do not ourselves know the validity of something by independent means.
    Of course one should also consider alternative explanations for peoples beliefs. For example, in a group that is largely a follower of one religion, one should consider that there religious beliefs might have an impact on their other beliefs and thus explain their common beliefs on a given matter.

    But since it is science we are talking about, we have a far better way of settling the mater. Rather than asking for peoples personal opinion, we should ask how many people have published articles with a given opinion in scientific journals and survived the review processes.
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    24 Aug '11 18:39
    "Creation Scientists" does seem like an oxymoron.
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    24 Aug '11 21:33
    Originally posted by moon1969
    "Creation Scientists" does seem like an oxymoron.
    Creation scientists are those scientists that recognize that the scientific
    evidence supports the creation view over the view that everything
    came into existence on its own by random chance. There is no scientific
    evidence that supports the random chance view.
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