Originally posted by @fmf And - to your way of thinking - what it says means what?
It's simple English. Evidently you can read, so I can only assume that you know what it says. You may not agree, but the meaning is clear, even to those who aren't buying it. If you can read the words, you can either heed them or not. It's up to you. It's not really my business, either way.
Originally posted by @suzianne It's simple English. Evidently you can read, so I can only assume that you know what it says. You may not agree, but the meaning is clear, even to those who aren't buying it. If you can read the words, you can either heed them or not. It's up to you. It's not really my business, either way.
Just state what you think it means. I think it means that, according to believers in Christ, people like me are already "dead" - even when we seem to be alive - because we are non-believers. Is that what you think it means?
Originally posted by @fmf Just state what you think it means. I think it means that, according to believers in Christ, people like me are already "dead" - even when we seem to be alive - because we are non-believers. Is that what you think it means?
It's pretty clear that in this case, the "dead" are those not following Christ. But as I said, this is not my call. I have no idea if you actually do follow Christ and are just "taking the piss" in this forum. Just because you may be an "unbeliever", that doesn't mean you're not "human". As you say, we are both obviously "alive" and are busy living our lives. I have no problem with allowing you the right to make your own decisions; you're an adult, after all. What this verse doesn't give me is the right to treat you as somehow "less than human" if I make the mistake of assuming that you are "dead" in Christ. It's simply not my call.
Now is there anything else you want to try to browbeat me over?
Originally posted by @suzianne It's pretty clear that in this case, the "dead" are those not following Christ. But as I said, this is not my call. I have no idea if you actually do follow Christ and are just "taking the piss" in this forum. Just because you may be an "unbeliever", that doesn't mean you're not "human". As you say, we are both obviously "alive" and are busy living our ...[text shortened]... uman" if I make the mistake of assuming that you are "dead" in Christ. It's simply not my call.
What your opinion is most certainly is your call. So do you agree with what I think it means?
Originally posted by @suzianne It's simple English. Evidently you can read, so I can only assume that you know what it says. You may not agree, but the meaning is clear, even to those who aren't buying it. If you can read the words, you can either heed them or not. It's up to you. It's not really my business, either way.
Do you think the Jews, for example, are "the dead" in accordance with Luke 9.
Originally posted by @fmf What your opinion is most certainly is your call. So do you agree with what I think it means?
Actually, no.
Those who do not follow Christ may be "spiritually dead" right now. However, "Jesus said, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live." (And dead in this verse has the same meaning as in the other verse, of course.)
Originally posted by @fmf Do you think the Jews, for example, are "the dead" in accordance with Luke 9.
Many Jews will come to Christ during the Tribulation. So no, not as a monolithic group.
Salvation in Christ is an individual thing. No one is excluded because they are a part of some "group". Christ came for Gentile and Jew, white, black, yellow or brown. All you have to do is believe in Him; the rest follows. But just because someone does not believe now, does not mean they are forever lost.
Originally posted by @suzianne Many Jews will come to Christ during the Tribulation. So no, not as a monolithic group.
Salvation in Christ is an individual thing. No one is excluded because they are a part of some "group". Christ came for Gentile and Jew, white, black, yellow or brown. All you have to do is believe in Him; the rest follows. But just because someone does not believe now, does not mean they are forever lost.
Are people who are not believers now "the dead" then?
Dead bury the dead?
05 Jan '18 08:50
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