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Death is the ultimate penalty

Death is the ultimate penalty

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@mchill said
Those who have faith that Jesus, as God's son that died on the cross for their sins will not be judged under this "mandatory" code of conduct, that will be reserved for the unbelievers (who won't pass the test by the way!) The believers will be saved from this harsh test of morality because the penalty for their transgressions has already been paid.
How does this stuff about Jesus's death - that you have introduced into the OP's thought exercise - affect the notion that death is the ultimate penalty for not believing in him while immortality the ultimate reward for believing?

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@fmf said
How does this stuff about Jesus's death - that you have introduced into the OP's thought exercise - affect the notion that death is the ultimate penalty for not believing in him while immortality the ultimate reward for believing?
I've already answered that in this thread. Please go back and read my posts.

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@mchill said
...why would one argue that this is morally incoherent?

Those who have faith that Jesus, as God's son that died on the cross for their sins will not be judged under this "mandatory" code of conduct, that will be reserved for the unbelievers (who won't pass the test by the way!) The believers will be saved from this harsh test of morality because the penalty for their transgressions has already been paid.
The criteria laid out is not in itself a formula for salvation.

If you take a look at James 2:19 "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!"

So believing is exactly what the bad guys do, you need a bit more than that, and isnt just that you agree that Jesus died for your sins.

James explains what it is from 2:14-17 "14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

I would therefore suggest that if as a Christian you are whizzing around in a fighter killing other Christians as "collateral damage" that those acts of muder might be a bit difficult to square with Christ's directive to love eachother.

If you beleive in hell this could be close to the point where that poker starts getting warmed up (there was an English king that suffered that very fate - Edward 2nd).

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I notice it's mostly or entirely guys who are attempting to show off their verbal plumage here, in a venue where courtship is not likely to happen.

May Heaven help the unwise.

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@mchill said
I've already answered that in this thread. Please go back and read my posts.
I have been back and looked. You haven't answered it. Your theological assertions were generic and pointedly did not address the issue of death being the ultimate penalty for a lack of belief.

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@kevin-eleven said
I notice it's mostly or entirely guys who are attempting to show off their verbal plumage here, in a venue where courtship is not likely to happen.

May Heaven help the unwise.
You seem to be an authority on verbal plumage?

You must be gentle when communicating with me for I am but a fledgling.