Definition of a cult

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
where have I claimed that it has a wonderful meaning?

Well, "wonderful" was not the exact word, but it gives the general idea that it does not mean anything bad. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
Well, "wonderful" was not the exact word, but it gives the general idea that it does not mean anything bad. 😏

it wasn't even close, but we wont hold you to sticking to the facts.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it wasn't even close, but we wont hold you to sticking to the facts.

Why do you use the words "hate", "hatred" and "hater" so often when talking to other people in this community, robbie?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ummmmm

stop associating with him, that he may become ashamed

How are you going to keep admonishing someone if you aren't allowed to have any communication with them?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How are you going to keep admonishing someone if you aren't allowed to have any communication with them?

the elders can admonish them gain and again, they are allowed and do speak to these ones again and again, while remaining peaceable.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the elders can admonish them gain and again, they are allowed and do speak to these ones again and again, while remaining peaceable.

Paul doesn't mention 'elders' though.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Paul doesn't mention 'elders' though.

its the elders responsibility to protect the congregation,they deal with it. he speaks elsewhere of admonishing the disorderly.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its the elders responsibility to protect the congregation,they deal with it. he speaks elsewhere of admonishing the disorderly.

That might be the way your organisation deals with it, but that is not what is said in 2 Thessalonians. Paul's advice is to stop associating with such people but to also not see them as the enemy and to also keep admonishing them as a brother. There is no mention of shunning or severing all contact forever. How can the instruction be to sever all contact when in the very next sentence he tells us to keep warning that person, it doesn't make any sense?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
That might be the way your organisation deals with it, but that is not what is said in 2 Thessalonians. Paul's advice is to stop associating with such people but to also not see them as the enemy and to also keep admonishing them as a brother. There is no mention of shunning or severing all contact forever. How can the instruction be to sever all contact ...[text shortened]... in the very next sentence he tells us to keep warning that person, it doesn't make any sense?

He clearly states that Christians are to withdraw from those who are unruly. But if you are not convinced then i suggest you meditate deeply on the following, so that it percolates from your mind to your heart the seat of motivation.

(2 John 8-11) Look out for yourselves, that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may obtain a full reward. Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. He that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.

Christians are not to be a sharer in the wicked works of others, they are counselled not even to say a greeting to such a person, but to shun them.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
He clearly states that Christians are to withdraw from those who are unruly. But if you are not convinced then i suggest you meditate deeply on the following, so that it percolates from your mind to your heart the seat of motivation.

(2 John 8-11) Look out for yourselves, that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may ...[text shortened]... ks of others, they are counselled not even to say a greeting to such a person, but to shun them.

Maybe that is why so many people do not answer their doorbell when they know the Jehovah's Witnesses are ringing it. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
Maybe that is why so many people do not answer their doorbell when they know the Jehovah's Witnesses are ringing it. 😏

They miss all the fun of tearing their beliefs to shreds.

Originally posted by googlefudge
They miss all the fun of tearing their beliefs to shreds.

strange in all my almost twenty years I have never had anyone tear my beliefs to shreds, infact, mostly people are quite polite if a little apathetic.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
strange in all my almost twenty years I have never had anyone tear my beliefs to shreds, infact, mostly people are quite polite if a little apathetic.

They can not tear all your beliefs to shreds because some of you beliefs are correct. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
They can not tear all your beliefs to shread because some of you beliefs are correct. 😏

you don't have a public ministry, you people pay a minister to do the work that Jesus stated all Christians should do, you dont know anything about teaching people about Gods Kingdom.