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This word is used a great deal in religious discussion and seems to be interchangeable with the word faith.
Originally posted by FMFEvidence seems interchangeable with proof also. They are not the same. There is considerable evidence that the Riemann hypothesis is true but no proof as yet.
...with Christians and Muslims:
evidence apparently can be verses from their religionist literature.
I have heard quotations from the Bible described as "empirical evidence" on this forum.
Originally posted by OdBodEvidence (E) FOR X being true is an empirical observation that increases the likelihood of X.
This word is used a great deal in religious discussion and seems to be interchangeable with the word faith.
Originally posted by googlefudgeNow faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Evidence (E) [b]FOR X being true is an empirical observation that increases the likelihood of X.
The greater the increase in probability then the stronger the evidence.
Proof (evidential rather than mathematical) is evidence strong enough that the resultant
probability of X being true is now so high as to make it beyond all reasonable doubt t ...[text shortened]... d thus no faith based belief in a proposition is
evidence for the truth of that proposition.[/b]
Originally posted by googlefudgeYou know, when you go on like that, my eyes just roll back in my head and I can't focus.
Evidence (E) [b]FOR X being true is an empirical observation that increases the likelihood of X.
The greater the increase in probability then the stronger the evidence.
Proof (evidential rather than mathematical) is evidence strong enough that the resultant
probability of X being true is now so high as to make it beyond all reasonable doubt t ...[text shortened]... d thus no faith based belief in a proposition is
evidence for the truth of that proposition.[/b]
Originally posted by RJHindsA well-known passage, to be sure, but I've always grumbled at the inclusion of the word "hope" in there. To me, it begs for a lack of faith if we simply "hope".
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
(Hebrews 11:1 KJV)
Originally posted by SuzianneI thought I was... But I will give it another go.
You know, when you go on like that, my eyes just roll back in my head and I can't focus.
Speak English, man!
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Originally posted by googlefudgeYes, much clearer. Not sure I see a connection between this and anything else, but yes, what you just said is very clear.
I thought I was... But I will give it another go.
(hypothetical)
You go to the doctor for cancer screening.
The doctor gives you a test that (for the sake of this hypothetical) tests for the presence of certain proteins.
(in this hypothetical) These proteins are very rarely found in people who don't have cancer, but they are almost
always f ...[text shortened]... how much the probability gets shifted.
Was that any clearer?
Originally posted by SuzianneI appreciate that.
Yes, much clearer. Not sure I see a connection between this and anything else, but yes, what you just said is very clear.
So tell me again how this affects my faith? Especially since the lack of any empirical evidence doesn't affect my faith in the slightest. It wouldn't be faith otherwise.