-Removed-"R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries is a grace ministry and operates entirely on voluntary contributions. There is no price list for any of our material. No money is requested. When gratitude for the Word of God motivates a believer to give, he has the privilege of contributing to the dissemination of Bible doctrine." [www.rbthieme.org]
-Removed-My church passes around a collection plate, but this not viewed as wrong.
1 Cor 9:13-14
Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.
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1 Tim 5:17-18
17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. 18 For the Scripture says, "Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain," and "The worker deserves his wages."
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The Apostle Paul did not receive offerings, but that was a preference of his. My full time Pastor lives off the offerings, and has a very modest lifestyle. Are you saying Preachers should not have collections?
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-Removed-Local Houston Church Services Sundays and Two Weekday Evenings at Berachah Church:
Present Pastor-Teacher Robert Thieme III (Son of RBT Jr., Who Began the Ministry)
http://berachah.org/pastorrbtiii.html
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RBT Jr., Fifty Years of MP3CD Lessons and Publications Taught from the Original Hebrew,
Aramaic and Koine Greek Mailed Around the World Free of Charge or Obligation:
http://berachah.org/index.html
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-Removed-Do you every try to spread 'the good news' or do you keep it to yourself? If the former, how do you distinguish between this and 'the need to expand'?
My own experience is with the Anglican Church in Livingstone. They do use a collection plate, and do encourage tithing. However, somebody has to pay for the parish priest and the upkeep of the Church buildings. When I was young, there was a full time parish priest, and a voluntary priest. The full time parish priest was paid less than a typical job of the same difficulty. (less than a teacher I believe, but I could be wrong). The priest would have got paid more had he chosen to take up a different job.
The finances of the local Parish were decided by representatives of the congregation with no personal financial interests whatsoever.
There was certainly no sense of it being a money making enterprise. If anything, they were constantly short of money for projects such as building a new Church in one of the neighbourhoods so that they would no longer have to use school classrooms.
My other experience is with Catholics in Livingstone. I know very little about how much money they collect, but I do know that a large amount gets spent on charity (they are the largest charitable organization in Zambia) and there are a lot of Catholics who dedicate their lives to charity work (I went to a Catholic school).
I also know about a "Church of Christ" Bible school in Livingstone, it is run by a man who owns a farm (bought with his own money) who uses the proceeds of the farm to run the school. He may receive some funding from US congregations, but I am fairly sure that overall, he is putting money in, not taking it out.
-Removed-No, my views are based on reality as I see it. I do not adjust my views based on whether something fits my religious beliefs.
Your claim that all organised religion is selfish money grabbing profiteering is false and we both know it.
I do not believe religion on the whole is a good thing, but that does not mean I will disparage everything about it.
I have told you my personal experience, and it seems that because it doesn't fit your preconceived view, you wish to dismiss it out of hand and blame it all on my logic. Why even bother starting this thread? To bolster your ego with any positive responses? If you won't even accept argument from an atheist, you sure wont accept anything from a member of organized religion.
-Removed-And individuals are members of a congregation. Yet you seem to be claiming that your view overrides that of all other individuals.
You may be missing my wider point that "church buildings" and all the other denominational paraphernalia of corporate religion is unnecessary and eventually leads to (in it's final metamorphosis) to what we see in TV evangelism.
Slippery slope argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope