10 Aug 07
Originally posted by josephwYou are asking a wrong question.
The Biblical doctrine of the depravity of man is heavily debated within the church, and is supported by irrefutable empirical evidence.
Can there be any doubt that we are sinners?
I think it should be:
Can there be any doubt that we are born sinners?
Because that what depravity of man means.
We are not born sinners, we are born clean and pure. Some choose to sin, and some don't. There are different levels of sins. And GOD forgives what he wants to whom he wants.
The Bible talkes about Perfect and Righteous people. How could this be if they are sinners. So to answer your questions, yes there could be many people without sins.
10 Aug 07
Originally posted by ahosyneyWho do you know personally that is "sinless"?
You are asking a wrong question.
I think it should be:
Can there be any doubt that we are [b]born sinners?
Because that what depravity of man means.
We are not born sinners, we are born clean and pure. Some choose to sin, and some don't. There are different levels of sins. And GOD forgives what he wants to whom he wants.
Th ...[text shortened]... if they are sinners. So to answer your questions, yes there could be many people without sins.[/b]
10 Aug 07
Originally posted by josephwThis is rather vague and nebulous and will ultimately result in a boring thread that ends in a rather contentious unfulfilling debate. Let's liven it up.
The Biblical doctrine of the depravity of man is heavily debated within the church, and is supported by irrefutable empirical evidence.
Can there be any doubt that we are sinners?
Who is your opinion is the most depraved person on the site? Or top five. However you want to do it.
10 Aug 07
Originally posted by kirksey957I've only got 2 for the list:
This is rather vague and nebulous and will ultimately result in a boring thread that ends in a rather contentious unfulfilling debate. Let's liven it up.
Who is your opinion is the most depraved person on the site? Or top five. However you want to do it.
1) Doctor Scribbles
2) kirksey957
10 Aug 07
Originally posted by whodeyI didn't expect a different response. Your life style makes it hard for you to believe so. But I don't. I know many who lived their entire life without doing a single thing aganist GOD's will.
Your grandparents have never sinned? Is that what they told you? After all, I assume you are taking their word for it since you have not been around their entire lives.
You faith is based on the idea of a spoiled man. But I don't believe that GOD will do that. Even the Bible contradict itself about that.
10 Aug 07
Originally posted by kirksey957I was meeting a JW man last week who believe that Hell doesn't exist. So according to him you are leading them to nowhere.
Several years ago someone on the site said I was the most likely person to lead someone to hell.
I think you better search for another place!!
10 Aug 07
Originally posted by ahosyneyI tend to agree wit ahosyney. We are told to strive to be like Christ. God would not ask us to do the impossible. Even Jesus got mad here and there and thought God had forsaken Him on the cross. God is not looking for perfection. God is the only perfection there is.
You are asking a wrong question.
I think it should be:
Can there be any doubt that we are [b]born sinners?
Because that what depravity of man means.
We are not born sinners, we are born clean and pure. Some choose to sin, and some don't. There are different levels of sins. And GOD forgives what he wants to whom he wants.
Th ...[text shortened]... if they are sinners. So to answer your questions, yes there could be many people without sins.[/b]
You want people who have never sinned? OK, Job, Moses, and Melchizedek come to mind.
10 Aug 07
Originally posted by VarqaMoses never sinned? You mean the Moses of the OT who murdered an Egyptian? You mean the one not allowed to enter the promised land because of an act of disobedience to God referred to in Numbers 20:12? You mean that Moses? I am sure that Ahosyney would say that this is not the case because the scriptures have been "corrupted", however, the Bible says what it says.
I tend to agree wit ahosyney. We are told to strive to be like Christ. God would not ask us to do the impossible. Even Jesus got mad here and there and thought God had forsaken Him on the cross. God is not looking for perfection. God is the only perfection there is.
You want people who have never sinned? OK, Job, Moses, and Melchizedek come to mind.
10 Aug 07
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Originally posted by ahosyneyThe Bible says that God is true and every man a liar. Are your grandparents an exception? Have they gone their entire life without telling a lie? Even a seemingly harmless lie?
I didn't expect a different response. Your life style makes it hard for you to believe so. But I don't. I know many who lived their entire life without doing a single thing aganist GOD's will.
You faith is based on the idea of a spoiled man. But I don't believe that GOD will do that. Even the Bible contradict itself about that.
Interestingly enough, my grandpa seemed to think that he was a "good" person as well. He implied more than once that he did not think he was a sinner. However, I knew of some skeletons in his closet that he either did not think about or did not think them to be sins.
Also, what do you mean when you say that my faith is based upon the idea of a spoiled man?