Depravity

The Biblical doctrine of the depravity of man is heavily debated within the church, and is supported by irrefutable empirical evidence.
Can there be any doubt that we are sinners?

Originally posted by josephw
The Biblical doctrine of the depravity of man is heavily debated within the church, and is supported by irrefutable empirical evidence.
Can there be any doubt that we are sinners?

You are asking a wrong question.

I think it should be:

Can there be any doubt that we are born sinners?
Because that what depravity of man means.

We are not born sinners, we are born clean and pure. Some choose to sin, and some don't. There are different levels of sins. And GOD forgives what he wants to whom he wants.

The Bible talkes about Perfect and Righteous people. How could this be if they are sinners. So to answer your questions, yes there could be many people without sins.

Originally posted by ahosyney
You are asking a wrong question.

I think it should be:

Can there be any doubt that we are [b]born sinners?
Because that what depravity of man means.

We are not born sinners, we are born clean and pure. Some choose to sin, and some don't. There are different levels of sins. And GOD forgives what he wants to whom he wants.

Th ...[text shortened]... if they are sinners. So to answer your questions, yes there could be many people without sins.[/b]

Who do you know personally that is "sinless"?

Originally posted by whodey
Who do you know personally that is "sinless"?

My grand parents

Originally posted by josephw
The Biblical doctrine of the depravity of man is heavily debated within the church, and is supported by irrefutable empirical evidence.
Can there be any doubt that we are sinners?

Can there be any doubt that such a view is a total crock?

Originally posted by ahosyney
My grand parents

Your grandparents have never sinned? Is that what they told you? After all, I assume you are taking their word for it since you have not been around their entire lives.

Originally posted by josephw
The Biblical doctrine of the depravity of man is heavily debated within the church, and is supported by irrefutable empirical evidence.
Can there be any doubt that we are sinners?

This is rather vague and nebulous and will ultimately result in a boring thread that ends in a rather contentious unfulfilling debate. Let's liven it up.

Who is your opinion is the most depraved person on the site? Or top five. However you want to do it.

Originally posted by kirksey957
This is rather vague and nebulous and will ultimately result in a boring thread that ends in a rather contentious unfulfilling debate. Let's liven it up.

Who is your opinion is the most depraved person on the site? Or top five. However you want to do it.

I've only got 2 for the list:

1) Doctor Scribbles
2) kirksey957

Originally posted by whodey
Your grandparents have never sinned? Is that what they told you? After all, I assume you are taking their word for it since you have not been around their entire lives.

I didn't expect a different response. Your life style makes it hard for you to believe so. But I don't. I know many who lived their entire life without doing a single thing aganist GOD's will.

You faith is based on the idea of a spoiled man. But I don't believe that GOD will do that. Even the Bible contradict itself about that.

Originally posted by Crita
I've only got 2 for the list:

1) Doctor Scribbles
2) kirksey957

Several years ago someone on the site said I was the most likely person to lead someone to hell.

Totally off-subject, and for that I apologize, but nice avatar, Kirksey.

Originally posted by kirksey957
Several years ago someone on the site said I was the most likely person to lead someone to hell.

I was meeting a JW man last week who believe that Hell doesn't exist. So according to him you are leading them to nowhere.

I think you better search for another place!!

Originally posted by ahosyney
You are asking a wrong question.

I think it should be:

Can there be any doubt that we are [b]born sinners?
Because that what depravity of man means.

We are not born sinners, we are born clean and pure. Some choose to sin, and some don't. There are different levels of sins. And GOD forgives what he wants to whom he wants.

Th ...[text shortened]... if they are sinners. So to answer your questions, yes there could be many people without sins.[/b]

I tend to agree wit ahosyney. We are told to strive to be like Christ. God would not ask us to do the impossible. Even Jesus got mad here and there and thought God had forsaken Him on the cross. God is not looking for perfection. God is the only perfection there is.

You want people who have never sinned? OK, Job, Moses, and Melchizedek come to mind.

Originally posted by Varqa
I tend to agree wit ahosyney. We are told to strive to be like Christ. God would not ask us to do the impossible. Even Jesus got mad here and there and thought God had forsaken Him on the cross. God is not looking for perfection. God is the only perfection there is.

You want people who have never sinned? OK, Job, Moses, and Melchizedek come to mind.

Moses never sinned? You mean the Moses of the OT who murdered an Egyptian? You mean the one not allowed to enter the promised land because of an act of disobedience to God referred to in Numbers 20:12? You mean that Moses? I am sure that Ahosyney would say that this is not the case because the scriptures have been "corrupted", however, the Bible says what it says.

Originally posted by ahosyney
I didn't expect a different response. Your life style makes it hard for you to believe so. But I don't. I know many who lived their entire life without doing a single thing aganist GOD's will.

You faith is based on the idea of a spoiled man. But I don't believe that GOD will do that. Even the Bible contradict itself about that.

The Bible says that God is true and every man a liar. Are your grandparents an exception? Have they gone their entire life without telling a lie? Even a seemingly harmless lie?

Interestingly enough, my grandpa seemed to think that he was a "good" person as well. He implied more than once that he did not think he was a sinner. However, I knew of some skeletons in his closet that he either did not think about or did not think them to be sins.

Also, what do you mean when you say that my faith is based upon the idea of a spoiled man?