Originally posted by josephw
[b]"At any rate, I see the word "God" and immediately associate it with the narrow-minded, and often internally inconsistent conceptualisation of a deity imagined by the poster that referred to it, and if I make any challenge to the supposed existence of "God" I do so on the basis that it is that specific notion of god that I am referring to - no others" ...[text shortened]... ho he is to those he created.
No! Not possible! You're much too open-minded to fall for that.[/b]
So you figure the hierarchy idea that your god or God, whatever, has set up a system where a very small number of people are on the top of the religious spectrum and the rest have to get their word of this god from the people on top, this is an ok concept to you?
In spite of the fact that a truly omniscient god could just as well have spoken to every human on the planet at the same time but supposedly only wants to speak through a god trumpet human.
That alone tells me the whole God thing is just a man made construct and has attracted billions of followers of people who put reasoning aside and just take the word of the charlatans who started it all.
That to me just screams man made. That and the idea I put forth in another post to the same effect, there is no God because there is no feedback from said alleged God.
A few words with one dude in the desert resulting in the ten commandments, and not one of those commandments say 'thou shalt not have slaves' or thou shalt not make women second class citizens'.
Funny, a GOD would not mention something like that.
So then literally THOUSANDS of years go by and then there is one dude, JC, who claims to be the son of God.
Then no word from this God, and 2000 years on, no word from this God, except for dudes like David Koresh, or Mohammed,
No word from a God to ALL the people at once, which you all rationalize away by saying, well, God gave us free will.
Of course this supposedly omniscient god made us imperfect with children suffering from cancer and such, babies born with Down's syndrome, or born with no brain.
It seems like your God has made an imperfect race of humans even though it, being allegedly omniscient, would have foreseen all that suffering of children with cancer and so forth, could have made us with better genetics able to fend off those diseases but instead is ok with the idea that children can be born blind or with no limbs or with vagina cancer or other diseases.
You can't put THAT one down to free will. It is not a child's fault it got cancer at the age of 3 months.
So all of that simply tells me we are on our own, whether or not there is a god, whether or not the universe is 6000 years old or 6 billion years old, doesn't matter for right now, no god has come down to fix ANYTHING in the last 2000 years.
The fact we have a hierarchal system of religion in the first place is the first big clue something is deeply wrong with organized religion.
For instance, in both Christianity (in the past for sure) and modern day Islam, you leave the faith, you die.
You think a real God would give a rats ass whether someone leaves some religion or other?
The fact there are thousands of religions tells me one huge fact: THEY CAN'T ALL BE RIGHT. And the opposite, that tells me they ALL are wrong.
Tell me why a God would allow a child to get cancer, or an adult for that matter? Lets see the rationalization for that one.
Another thing: These tests your alleged God sets up, Ab with Jacob, Adam and Eve, don't eat THAT apple.
A God, being omniscient would have known the outcome of any such tests before the universe was even created since it knew it was going to make a universe and would know the life career of every atom in the universe from beginning to end and so would also know the outcome of any such test it would set up, so why would it make such a BS test in the first place?
The answer: such tests would ONLY have come from the thoughts of humans because they would not know the outcome, so could imagine the usefulness of such tests.
Then there is the idea that an omniscient God would destroy EVERY land animal on Earth to kill a few thousand bad humans is so abhorrent as to defy belief that anyone would ever even conceive of such a vile tale much less attribute such a despicable act to a God, who would be destroying the beings it allegedly created. Not only that, but leaving the ones 'saved' in the Ark to such a poor genetic pool as to leave ALL of those life forms forever weakened, including the humans.
Just another instance of the absolute BULLSHYTE in your bible God tale.
But of course you will rationalize it all away, just putting me down to a frothing at the mouth atheist, right?
"dis-equivocating" God
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