1. Standard memberDasa
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    Dishonesty comes about when persons do no respond to falsity.

    They defend their falsity......this is dishonesty.

    Someone may truly believe in something but when that something is false and it has been exposed as false then their defending of it is the moment they embrace dishonesty.

    Their belief in the falsity maybe not dishonest but when they have their belief exposed as false and they then defend it they have at that moment become dishonest.

    Persons believe that in the future all the dead bodies in the grave shall jump up and walk away and this has been exposed as false......,..but when the person defends this belief then this is the moment they become dishonest.

    Persons believe that the baby in the womb is growing and living without the soul and this has been exposed as false but it is when they defend this they have become dishonest.

    Persons believe that after death the soul cannot take another birth but this has been exposed as false but when they defend this they become dishonest at that moment.

    Persons believe slaughtering animals is something of what is called spiritual living but this has been exposed as false........but when they do not let it go and defend it they have at that moment become dishonest.

    Persons believe that conscious life developed from non conscious life and this has been exposed as false, but when they stand firm and defend it they have become dishonest at that moment.

    Persons believe that the complex cosmos with all its laws have come about by an explosion and this has been exposed as false, but when they stand and defend this they have at that moment become dishonest.

    Persons believe that design in nature is not evidence of underlying directive intelligence and this has been exposed as false but when persons defend it they have at that moment become dishonest.

    Sadly dishonesty has become the rule with cheating religion and cheating science.

    Person determined to raise their consciousness must give up falsity and become honest because without honesty there is no question of understanding anything about God and true religion.
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    Persons resort to circular arguments to defend an utterly defenseless position. At this moment, they have become dishonest at this moment.
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    30 Aug '11 17:45
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Dishonesty comes about when persons do no respond to falsity.

    They defend their falsity......this is dishonesty.

    Someone may truly believe in something but when that something is false and it has been exposed as false then their defending of it is the moment they embrace dishonesty.

    Their belief in the falsity maybe not dishonest but when they have the ...[text shortened]... ause without honesty there is no question of understanding anything about God and true religion.
    Where's the evidence that this has been exposed as false?

    Persons believe that design in nature is not evidence of underlying directive intelligence and this has been exposed as false but when persons defend it they have at that moment become dishonest.
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    30 Aug '11 18:13
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Dishonesty comes about when persons do no respond to falsity.

    They defend their falsity......this is dishonesty.

    Someone may truly believe in something but when that something is false and it has been exposed as false then their defending of it is the moment they embrace dishonesty.

    Their belief in the falsity maybe not dishonest but when they have the ...[text shortened]... ause without honesty there is no question of understanding anything about God and true religion.
    Ok, we get your view on dishonest science. So lets move on now. We don't need to beat a dead horse here.
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    30 Aug '11 18:24
    Beating a dead horse is sinful and dishonest.
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    30 Aug '11 18:371 edit
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    Where's the evidence that this has been exposed as false?

    Persons believe that design in nature is not evidence of underlying directive intelligence and this has been exposed as false but when persons defend it they have at that moment become dishonest.
    Good question...

    Part of the dishonest package is the fact that persons who hold tight to falsity do not involve themselves with proper research to understand their falsity.

    It could be as simple as doing un-biased research instead of biased research.

    They claim truth to their falsity without thorough and complete and exhaustive examination of all the facts.

    This is only further dishonesty.........because it is blind acceptance with a little fact thrown in for good measure.

    An example would be.....

    Persons present conscious life comes from non life but the science behind this is lacking and if thorough examination were conducted it would not stand and persons would change their mind about that.........but they don't change their mind about that because they do not do the necessary exhaustive analysis for exposing this as false and this refusal to examine it properly is their dishonesty.

    Also.......

    The book Forbidden Archeology was not written by armchair creationists but persons who travelled extensively for eight years researching every find available and every paper ever written about it. (it was thoroughly and extensively researched.)

    Nothing was blindly presented but instead everything examined in its own right.

    Where I have said that falsity has been exposed it means that it has also endured every test and examination and not just blindly labelled ...........but will the persons defending the falsity subject themselves to the same rigorous examination that has been the case...........NO.

    And in every case it is them who blindly accept without that complete and thorough examination.

    And this is the most important point........that complete awareness can only be achieved by having spiritual insight.

    Everyone has senses....... hearing, touch, sight, taste,smell and having spiritual insight is like having an extra sense.

    Spiritual insight is like having super awareness which enables the person to understand the un-understandable and everyone can get this if only they would embrace true spirituality.
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    30 Aug '11 18:54
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Good question...

    Part of the dishonest package is the fact that persons who hold tight to falsity do not involve themselves with proper research to understand their falsity.

    It could be as simple as doing un-biased research instead of biased research.

    They claim truth to their falsity without thorough and complete and exhaustive examination of all the ...[text shortened]... d the un-understandable and everyone can get this if only they would embrace true spirituality.
    So where exactly is the evidence for the 'underlying directive intelligence'?!
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    30 Aug '11 20:33
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    So where exactly is the evidence for the 'underlying directive intelligence'?!
    There is solid evidence you can touch it and see it. (empirical)

    There is observational evidence the act of witnessing. (empiricle)

    There is cognitive evidence which is subjective understanding. (descending)

    Ironically the subjective understanding is the most trustworthy because it is created by submission to true authority meaning that a person may witness something and touch something but due to imperfect senses they conclude falsely, but embracing the authority and testing the authority they come to proper understanding.

    Apart from these there is the overall honest appraisal or the overall dishonest appraisal meaning two persons may witness the same thing and one person is exercising honesty and the other dishonesty and they shall witness differently.

    So the submission to authority is the best.

    We have seen that all learning by all students is by the descending method of learning or the submission to authority and that's how everyone learns but when it comes to origins science persons all of a sudden discard the descending method over the empiricle method and they end up with speculation and fabrication by way of that method.

    But the authority can be tested and the conclusion of the test then becomes subjective to them and them only.......and that is the cognitive evidence.

    The science person can also become submissive to the authority and obtain their own cognitive evidence but they decline.

    It is this declining that makes them dishonest because the evidence is there but they reject it.
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    30 Aug '11 20:43
    Originally posted by Dasa
    There is solid evidence you can touch it and see it. (empirical)

    There is observational evidence the act of witnessing. (empiricle)

    There is cognitive evidence which is subjective understanding. (descending)

    Ironically the subjective understanding is the most trustworthy because it is created by submission to true authority meaning that a person may ...[text shortened]... t is this declining that makes them dishonest because the evidence is there but they reject it.
    "There is solid evidence" Ok, show me the money. Is that all you have, There is solid evidence? Show it then don't talk about it.
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    "There is solid evidence" Ok, show me the money. Is that all you have, There is solid evidence? Show it then don't talk about it.
    Take a look at the wookpecker. How could his head evolve from another bird?
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Take a look at the wookpecker. How could his head evolve from another bird?
    study some books on evolution and you'll learn how that happens.
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    31 Aug '11 01:42
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    study some books on evolution and you'll learn how that happens.
    Do you know the name of a book that actually explains how it evolved or
    does it just say it evolve so-and-so to prevent damage to the brain and
    forgets about the rest. That doesn't even explain the so-and-so.
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    31 Aug '11 02:081 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    "There is solid evidence" Ok, show me the money. Is that all you have, There is solid evidence? Show it then don't talk about it.
    When I said "there is solid evidence" ............ I am not emphasizing the IS.

    I am emphasizing the the fact that there is "solid evidence" and it happens to be empiricle.

    But having said that there is solid evidence but you would have had to have travelled with the authors of Forbidden Archeology to witness their findings.
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    31 Aug '11 02:40
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Dishonesty comes about when persons do no respond to falsity.

    They defend their falsity......this is dishonesty.

    Someone may truly believe in something but when that something is false and it has been exposed as false then their defending of it is the moment they embrace dishonesty.

    Their belief in the falsity maybe not dishonest but when they have the ...[text shortened]... ause without honesty there is no question of understanding anything about God and true religion.
    You are using the word "dishonest" incorrectly, Dasa.
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    31 Aug '11 03:12
    Dasa uses rationality incorrectly...😕
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