1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    Distilling Spiritual Issues to The Irreducible

    As of this moment, the Red Hot Pawn Spirituality Forum has published almost one quarter of a million (to be precise... two hundred and thirty three thousand, seven hundred and sixty one or 233,761) posts since its inception. Most of this incredible volume, well intentioned; much of it, pontification about tangential crusader causes and argumentation for its own sake over world or local news events; some of it little more than winds of sound and fury signifying nothing. The one significant and inescapable, pivotal spiritual issue since time immemorial has been all too frequently blurred and/or ignored: Until a man changes his mind about Christ (the correct meaning of 'repent'😉, there is no hope of spiritual birth, eternal salvation and an eternal relationship with God forever in Heaven. (gb)
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Distilling Spiritual Issues to The Irreducible

    As of this moment, the Red Hot Pawn Spirituality Forum has published almost one quarter of a million (to be precise... two hundred and thirty three thousand, seven hundred and sixty one or 233,761) posts since its inception. Most of this incredible volume, well intentioned; much of it, pontificati ...[text shortened]... itual birth, eternal salvation and an eternal relationship with God forever in Heaven. (gb)
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    Until a man changes his mind about Christ (the correct meaning of 'repent'😉,
    there is no hope of spiritual birth, eternal salvation and an eternal relationship with God forever
    in Heaven. (gb)


    What about woman? Or do you take the typical Christian attitude and think they don't count?

    Also.

    Until you demonstrate that your god actually exists...
    That heaven and hell are real...
    And that we actually have souls of any kind (other than metaphorical)...
    Then you are just making stuff up.

    However, even if I were to grant for a moment that you were correct...

    Why on earth would I want an eternal relation ship with your evil and despicable god?

    Until you prove that we have souls and that hell exists you have no stick.

    And Until you prove that a heaven exists AND IT'S SOMEWHERE I ACTUALLY WANT TO SPEND
    AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF TIME you have no carrot.


    As it stands...
    You have no evidence, let alone proof, that anything you claim is true. So you have no truth.
    You have no punishment for transgressing, you have no stick.
    You have no reward for following, you have no carrot.
    You have no grounds for basing a moral or legal system.
    You have nothing of any practical use or value in the hear and now.

    You have nothing, you are selling nothing.


    The only way to rectify this is to provide a convincing explanation for why anyone would want to go to heaven for eternity.
    Provide a convincing reason why your god is a good arbiter of laws and morality.
    Provide convincing evidence that following your gods rules and worshipping your god is beneficial in the hear and now.
    And most of all.

    PROVE THAT WHAT YOU CLAIM IS ACTUALLY REAL AND TRUE.

    Till then all you have is "...winds of sound and fury signifying nothing."
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Distilling Spiritual Issues to The Irreducible

    As of this moment, the Red Hot Pawn Spirituality Forum has published almost one quarter of a million (to be precise... two hundred and thirty three thousand, seven hundred and sixty one or 233,761) posts since its inception. Most of this incredible volume, well intentioned; much of it, pontificati ...[text shortened]... itual birth, eternal salvation and an eternal relationship with God forever in Heaven. (gb)
    -[/b]
    Most of what goes on in the clan forum and the spiritual forum is garbage.

    Religion should be abolished in all it's forms be you a Christian, Jew, Mormon,
    JW, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or whatever the hell you profess to believe in.

    There is no, I repeat no concrete irrefutable evidence for the existence
    of any GOD or any type of Supreme Being.

    There is no one, absolutely nobody on this earth who can prove without dispute
    that any GOD truly exists and the sooner you realize that the better.

    When you die your permanent address will be six feet of dirt and then
    you are no more.

    People need to come together as one human family and cooperate together
    for a better society and a better world. It makes no difference what colour
    you are.....we are all one equal human family and we need to work
    together logically in order to survive and live and get along.


    You know it makes sense and no I am not advocating Communism.
    Communism as a political way of life is a failed type of politics.

    Pull yourself together and give up your silly superstitious ways
    of thinking that some almighty super supreme being is going to enter your
    life and make things right for you.

    I repeat once more......

    no proof of any GOD

    A court of law deals in facts...not mumbo jumbo silly superstitious garbage.
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    The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    Ezekiel 18:20.

    This, according to your good book says that your soul
    can die. It is therefore not immortal as you claim.

    Your own good book contradicts you.

    What have you to say to that Grampy Bobby?

    Give up your superstitious nonsense.
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    12 Dec '12 12:55
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    Ezekiel 18:20.

    This, according to your good book says that your soul
    can die. It is therefore not immortal as you claim.

    Your own good book contradicts you.

    What have you to say to that Grampy Bobby?

    Give up your superstitious nonsense.
    http://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/2012/12/11/gods-wizards-and-plot-holes/
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    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Most of what goes on in the clan forum and the spiritual forum is garbage.

    Religion should be abolished in all it's forms be you a Christian, Jew, Mormon,
    JW, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or whatever the hell you profess to believe in.

    There is no, I repeat no concrete irrefutable evidence for the existence
    of any GOD or any type of Supreme Being. ...[text shortened]... roof of any GOD

    A court of law deals in facts...not mumbo jumbo silly superstitious garbage.
    have you been following the case of the lady who committed suicide because of a
    prank phone call, Jacintha Saldanha? Keith Vaz, labour MP for Bristol visited the
    grieving family and stated that they have absolute confidence in their faith and that it
    will see them through this ordeal, what have anti-religionists like you got to offer this
    family johnny, do tell?
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    12 Dec '12 13:28
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    have you been following the case of the lady who committed suicide because of a
    prank phone call, Jacintha Saldanha? Keith Vaz, labour MP for Bristol visited the
    grieving family and stated that they have absolute confidence in their faith and that it
    will see them through this ordeal, what have anti-religionists like you got to offer this
    family johnny, do tell?
    Comfort, empathy, and support.
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    12 Dec '12 13:43
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Comfort, empathy, and support.
    Exactly

    Practical help

    Not superstitious rubbish.
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    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Exactly

    Practical help

    Not superstitious rubbish.
    it seems that they are getting these very things from their faith, how can you explain
    that away johnny with your empty promises of nothingness?
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    it seems that they are getting these very things from their faith, how can you explain
    that away johnny with your empty promises of nothingness?
    The fact that people can find fairy tales comforting does not mean that they are true,
    or the only possible source of comfort or strength.

    Only an idiot would think otherwise...
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    12 Dec '12 14:43
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Till then all you have is "...winds of sound and fury signifying nothing."
    Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.
  12. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    So far, with few exceptions, posts seem to attest to the OP.
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    So far, with few exceptions, posts seem to attest to the OP.
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    You have not answered any of the points or questions put to you
    with regard to your belief that there is a supreme being up there
    somewhere in the sky who will determine where you go when your corpse
    finally rots in the dirt.


    You might want to think again, but then I suppose you are of a certain
    generation which is either too old or too stupid to realize the negativity
    of the superstitious nonsense you speak of.

    Show absolute indisputable conclusive proof of what you say.
    Facts, not conjecture or superstition that there is actually a GOD.

    If you can then maybe you'll let me have his cell phone number.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.
    Well I expected that.

    Can you describe an afterlife I might like to actually go to?

    Or are you also going to expect me to like the idea of kissing gods ass* for all eternity.


    *ass is such an Americanism, however the British version wont pass the nanny filter.
  15. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Well I expected that.

    Can you describe an afterlife I might like to actually go to?

    Or are you also going to expect me to like the idea of kissing gods ass* for all eternity.


    *ass is such an Americanism, however the British version wont pass the nanny filter.
    One afterlife place that you might not like to go...

    http://www.youall.com/HELL/dante.htm

    or this one (lol)

    http://www2.connectseward.org/edu/shs/students/students11/TaylorKumm/dante/circle9.html
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