Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]Distilling Spiritual Issues to The Irreducible
As of this moment, the Red Hot Pawn Spirituality Forum has published almost one quarter of a million (to be precise... two hundred and thirty three thousand, seven hundred and sixty one or 233,761) posts since its inception. Most of this incredible volume, well intentioned; much of it, pontificati ...[text shortened]... itual birth, eternal salvation and an eternal relationship with God forever in Heaven. (gb)
Until a man changes his mind about Christ (the correct meaning of 'repent',
there is no hope of spiritual birth, eternal salvation and an eternal relationship with God forever
in Heaven. (gb)
What about woman? Or do you take the typical Christian attitude and think they don't count?
Until you demonstrate that your god actually exists...
That heaven and hell are real...
And that we actually have souls of any kind (other than metaphorical)...
Then you are just making stuff up.
However, even if I were to grant for a moment that you were correct...
Why on earth would I want an eternal relation ship with your evil and despicable god?
Until you prove that we have souls and that hell exists you have no stick.
And Until you prove that a heaven exists AND IT'S SOMEWHERE I ACTUALLY WANT TO SPEND
AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF TIME you have no carrot.
As it stands...
You have no evidence, let alone proof, that anything you claim is true. So you have no truth.
You have no punishment for transgressing, you have no stick.
You have no reward for following, you have no carrot.
You have no grounds for basing a moral or legal system.
You have nothing of any practical use or value in the hear and now.
You have nothing, you are selling nothing.
The only way to rectify this is to provide a convincing explanation for why anyone would want to go to heaven for eternity.
Provide a convincing reason why your god is a good arbiter of laws and morality.
Provide convincing evidence that following your gods rules and worshipping your god is beneficial in the hear and now.
And most of all.
PROVE THAT WHAT YOU CLAIM IS ACTUALLY REAL AND TRUE.
Till then all you have is "...winds of sound and fury signifying nothing."