@galveston75 saidStill a dangerous philosophy, IMO ... depending on how bad the abuse is, staying in the marriage can lead to permanent injury, or even death.
No that is not what he was implying. Wouldn't that be a little on the cruel side for that to be a law?
But even with a husband beater that is not grounds for divorce as the bible says in the previous scripture. Fornication is the only reason.
But obviously the wife should be all means protect herself and leave if that is what is needed. That would never be looked down ...[text shortened]... to her by adultery in the future, that would now allow her to pursue a legal and spiritual divorce.
Perhaps some abuses can be worked through with counseling, but I prefer to err on the side of caution in these cases. The woman's safety is priority #1. If that means the marriage dissolves, so be it.
@bigdoggproblem saidI'm still saying that if there is a chance of her getting hurt then yes she should leave him by all means.
Still a dangerous philosophy, IMO ... depending on how bad the abuse is, staying in the marriage can lead to permanent injury, or even death.
Perhaps some abuses can be worked through with counseling, but I prefer to err on the side of caution in these cases. The woman's safety is priority #1. If that means the marriage dissolves, so be it.
But this is where listening to Jehovah and his counsel and try to exhaust all that is out there to help the marriage work as long as the husband is doing all that he is told to do or not do from a legal aspect.
One problem that could lead to a situation like this is not "marrying in the Lord" as the Bible tells us to do. One should carefully find a mate and make sure the two of you have that in common. There is not one marriage problem the Bible cannot help with but if one of the mates does not see that and use the Bible and prayer to Jehovah for help and guidance then human imperfections can ruin a marriage.
-Removed-You're hung up on the buzz words you use to incite divisiveness in the discussions and debates in these threads. You're obviously frustrated with yourself for not being able to produce an on topic rational argument, so you post vindictive and judgmental accusations based on your presumptive biases and prejudices you have about people you don't even know.
@fmf saidThe way I see it Jesus was giving one example [adultery] of how a marriage contract can be violated and therefore voided. The are many other ways and all can lead to morally sound divorce.
'Divorce is not morally unsound in and of itself'.
Agree or disagree?
As to whether it is a "sin", that's a matter for those who believe that "sin" is real.
The notion of "sin" aside, the question is whether divorce is, in and of itself, immoral.
-Removed-It should make you laugh because it was a joke. But as usual, because you're full of biases and prejudices, you try to gain traction for your skewed perceptions by mischaracterizing intent.
And whether or not I'm "permitted" to teach is no ones business but the Holy Spirit's, and when recognized by the elders of a local assembly. Obviously you know nothing about the biblical structure of church leadership.
@rajk999 saidThat contradicts the passage as written, though. Jesus states a specific exception, and says ANY OTHER GROUNDS for divorce are unsound insofar as remarrying is concerned.
The way I see it Jesus was giving one example [adultery] of how a marriage contract can be violated and therefore voided. The are many other ways and all can lead to morally sound divorce.
Of course, that does not, in and of itself restrict divorce(at least as we in the modern society understand the term), it only means that if you divorce your partner for any other reason, you cannot marry again... but I'm sure people more familiar with the context could argue otherwise.
@vartiovuori saidIf you want to go strictly as the passage is written then the only ground for divorce is fornication, not adultery. Understand the difference? Fornication is sex prior to marriage. If the woman goes into a marriage without being a virgin then that man can divorce her. Plus [strictly interpreted as the passage is written], no divorce can be permuted after that. The spouse can be a murderer, a child abuser, an adulterer, there is no divorce.
That contradicts the passage as written, though. Jesus states a specific exception, and says ANY OTHER GROUNDS for divorce are unsound insofar as remarrying is concerned.
Of course, that does not, in and of itself restrict divorce(at least as we in the modern society understand the term), it only means that if you divorce your partner for any other reason, you cannot marry again... but I'm sure people more familiar with the context could argue otherwise.