Go back
Doctrine of the Divine Decree

Doctrine of the Divine Decree

Spirituality

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
LIS. Apparently, professor of history that you are, you can explain what combination of Hitler's personal characteristics and societal factors led to his absolute sway over Germany. I'm curious to hear it.
No, no...please go on about Demonic possesion. Was there a particular Demon you had in mind?

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I like the demon possession angle.

Was Stalin also demon possessed?
Only unbelievers can be demon-possessed. Believers can be demon-influenced, but not possessed.

Vote Up
Vote Down

Although I found this interesting. According to Wikipedia:

"Stalin's childhood was a difficult one. Russia smelled like poop. Every time Stalin walked down the street, the other children would throw poop at him. This helped mold him in to the angry dictator he would become."

Who woulda thunk poop led to pogram?

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Only unbelievers can be demon-possessed. Believers can be demon-influenced, but not possessed.
So, he was only demon-influenced, then?

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by David C
So, he was only demon-influenced, then?
I don't recall saying as such.

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I don't recall saying as such.
Let's not get side-tracked here...How did you come to know that Hitler was in thrall to demonic powers?

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I don't recall saying as such.
So, in your opinion, he was actually possesed. How do you reconcile this with that fact that he was Catholic, and therefore, a "believer"?

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Let's not get side-tracked here...How did you come to know that Hitler was in thrall to demonic powers?
The list includes all forms of occult activities, but--- in my opinion--- the most compelling aspect is the extreme makeover. While the occult activites fill in the blanks, the blank between what he was and what he became is incredible. It's almost like seeing Barry Bonds' head in his rookie year and his head now, only viewing the transformation after only one season.

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by David C
So, in your opinion, he was actually possesed. How do you reconcile this with that fact that he was Catholic, and therefore, a "believer"?
I would say that although he may have been baptised, confirmed and in any other manner made a Catholic, without his personal decision to accept the work of Jesus Christ, he was not a believer.

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
The list includes all forms of occult activities, but--- in my opinion--- the most compelling aspect is the extreme makeover.
There is considerable speculation as to his occult enthusiasms. Any (credible) sources you'd care to cite? As for the makeover--the Weimar Republic turned everything into cabaret.

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
There is considerable speculation as to his occult enthusiasms. Any (credible) sources you'd care to cite? As for the makeover--the Weimar Republic turned everything into cabaret.
Pretty much any in-depth biography speaks of his involvement; however, if you really want some sources, I'm sure I can dig some up for you.

I think you may be overstating the WR's influence, however.

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I'm sure I can dig some up for you.

I think you may be overstating the WR's influence, however.
I'd appreciate that.

The WR provided the stage for the cabaret, although Hitler's first demons would have been encountered in Vienna. Could they have been Jewish?!

Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I'd appreciate that.

The WR provided the stage for the cabaret, although Hitler's first demons would have been encountered in Vienna. Could they have been Jewish?!
I'll concede their decline set the stage for a power vaccum.

1 edit
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I'll concede their decline set the stage for a power vaccum.
I don't see the Hoover connection.

The demise of the Austro-Hungarian empire set the stage for an inordinate amount of conflict. With the removal of His Apostolic Majesty, the Old World fell apart. New costumes for new pageants were required.

2 edits
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by Halitose
Possible? Yes.
Good. Then such a state of affairs is logically possible, and your God is omnipotent. It follows that your God could have brought about such a state of affairs. So please excuse me in the future when I completely ignore you if ever you make the false claim that free will somehow necessitates evil.

So we see that an appeal to free will completely fails to sidestep the problem of evil (this is only one of many reasons why this is so). We should probably move on to tackle that pesky question of why your God willfully inflicts a wide range of heinous natural evils.