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Is dogma a bad word? Why, if you think it is?

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"Dogma is defined as principles or rules that cannot be questioned".

This makes dogma an inherently bad thing.

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@kellyjay said
Is dogma a bad word? Why, if you think it is?
Dogma and ideology, in most cases, serve the purpose of delegitimizing doubt and dissent. This strikes me, at best, as being an odd thing to do in the realm of spiritual questions.

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@fmf said
Dogma and ideology, in most cases, serve the purpose of delegitimizing doubt and dissent. This strikes me, at best, as being an odd thing to do in the realm of spiritual questions.
If we cannot be questioned on any topic, we have our heads up a body part that should be anatomically impossible to do. Every truth presented should be able to stand up to all the scrutiny thrown at it. This word gets thrown around here as if the one using it is insulting the one they are talking to in a discussion. If it is a discussion, why is the word dogma being used? If truth is under discussion, it should still be questioned, even if all we do is confirm its truthfulness. If we cannot have a truth that we believe in, then why question anything, nothing will ever come from it?

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@kellyjay said
If we cannot be questioned on any topic, we have our heads up a body part that should be anatomically impossible to do.
Who has said, "we cannot be questioned on any topic"?

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@kellyjay said
Every truth presented should be able to stand up to all the scrutiny thrown at it.
I can't see how this applies to speculations and aspirations about supernatural things.

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@kellyjay said
If it is a discussion, why is the word dogma being used?
Maybe someone is wielding dogma to avoid genuine scrutiny and discussion.

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@kellyjay said
If we cannot have a truth that we believe in, then why question anything, nothing will ever come from it?
You are free to believe in whatever "truth" you want.

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@kellyjay said
If we cannot be questioned on any topic, we have our heads up a body part that should be anatomically impossible to do. Every truth presented should be able to stand up to all the scrutiny thrown at it. This word gets thrown around here as if the one using it is insulting the one they are talking to in a discussion. If it is a discussion, why is the word dogma being used? If ...[text shortened]... cannot have a truth that we believe in, then why question anything, nothing will ever come from it?
Why do you feel that you cannot question or be questioned on any topic?

As for dogma, it’s just a word and no words are “bad words”.

Religiously dogmatic people do generally seem to be inflexible in their beliefs and have stopped seeking. In fact some, as you eloquently point out, do seem to “have [thier] heads up a body part that should be anatomically impossible to do”

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@vivify said
"Dogma is defined as principles or rules that cannot be questioned".

This makes dogma an inherently bad thing.
Perhaps an unconventional use of the term here, but is a belief in a spherical earth 'dogma'?

How about a belief in the correctness of the Pythagorean Theorem?

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@fmf said
Maybe someone is wielding dogma to avoid genuine scrutiny and discussion.
Truth is like a double-edged sword; it cuts both ways; maybe someone is accusing others of dogma to avoid genuine scrutiny and discussion.

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@divegeester said
Why do you feel that you cannot question or be questioned on any topic?

As for dogma, it’s just a word and no words are “bad words”.

Religiously dogmatic people do generally seem to be inflexible in their beliefs and have stopped seeking. In fact some, as you eloquently point out, do seem to “have [thier] heads up a body part that should be anatomically impossible to do”
I can be questioned; the only time here I didn't want to go down different paths of discussion was to avoid rabbit holes that would lead away from the topic I had started. When other questions came up, I thought I would do that. I suggested starting another thread, and I have zero concern about addressing anything. I'd prefer it to be an honest discussion that stays on topic and not morph into something where motivation, intelligence, or other personal things become the topic under discussion.

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@kellyjay said
maybe someone is accusing others of dogma to avoid genuine scrutiny and discussion.
Granted.

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@kellyjay said
I can be questioned
Was your comment about people not being questioned just rhetorical then or did you have a specific in mind?

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@kellyjay said
the only time here I didn't want to go down different paths of discussion was to avoid rabbit holes that would lead away from the topic I had started.
I’m completely agree, hence my replies to you in another thread that you stay on my topic and start a new thread about whatever you want to discuss.

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