Doomed!

Originally posted by sven1000
I am indeed a scientist, as well as a realist.

So what you doing on a Spirituality forum then?

Originally posted by sven1000
Science isn't driven by the pursuit of objective truth, it is driven by money, desire for fame, intrigue with a particular puzzle piece, desire to be right, etc... Scientists often like to portray it as pursuit of objective truth; it sounds nobler. It does have the nice feature that it is repeatable by others. People can build on past success, although o ...[text shortened]... d who pursue studies they don't believe reflect truth, simply because there is funding for it.

So you lost out on your funding battle?

Originally posted by sonhouse
So you lost out on your funding battle?

I suppose it sounds a little bitter, but no, I'm doing alright. I don't pretend my job is any more special than any other, though. Science is no more noble than theology or professional chess-playing.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
So what you doing on a Spirituality forum then?

I suppose something similar to what you're doing.

Originally posted by Zander 88
I'm not debating whether people are or aren't in it for the pursuit of objective truth. I fully believe your claims there. What I'm saying is that the scientific method is near bullet-proof. If your claims are false, nobody can repeat your experiment, whatever, people are going to catch it.

So, is there something fundamentally wrong with the scientific method in the abstract? I would not blame the tool for being mishandled by the worker.

I would agree that the scientific method works well in the appropriate venue. I'm also open to the idea that there is truth that the scientific method cannot access, which doesn't make that truth any less viable.

Originally posted by sven1000
I would agree that the scientific method works well in the appropriate venue. I'm also open to the idea that there is truth that the scientific method cannot access, which doesn't make that truth any less viable.

That's downright blasphemy!

You are hereby ordered to turn in your Scientist Card .. at least in the Spirtuality Forum venue.

Stand by for slings .. and arrows too.

🙂

Originally posted by sven1000
I would agree that the scientific method works well in the appropriate venue. I'm also open to the idea that there is truth that the scientific method cannot access, which doesn't make that truth any less viable.

yes, care to explain?

Originally posted by sven1000
I suppose something similar to what you're doing.

Here to introduce some reality then? Strange that you don't seem to have done that so far.

Is that what you believe/hope you are doing?

Originally posted by sven1000
Is that what you believe/hope you are doing?

Absolutely. There are way too many fools here who deliberately misrepresent science so they can push their mystic crap.

Originally posted by sven1000
I would agree that the scientific method works well in the appropriate venue. I'm also open to the idea that there is truth that the scientific method cannot access, which doesn't make that truth any less viable.

What is this "truth" that science supposedly cannot access? And what makes you think that anyone else can access it any better?

Originally posted by twiceaknight
No. Self- delusion is never positive. It's negative.

Don't people delude themselves into believing postiive congenial propositions more often than they delude themselves into believing negative uncongenial ones? In that sense, self-delusion is positive,

However, that people self-delude may be regrettable, and hence negative, in another sense. However, I think this is a debatable proposition. I would say the matter is more complex. I would say that there is an optimal margin of self-delusion, that varies from context to context.