Originally posted by knightmeister
So this leads us to the question - Does the universe go on forever or does it (will it) have an end? If we project an ending to it then we have a beginning and an ending point that will end up being measurable in some way. My feeling is that you like to either chop the universe up into minutely small pieces or turn it round into a circle etc etc. All t ...[text shortened]... le.
(BTW - I claimed the past universe up to now was measurable - you should learn to read)
Your mind reading is way off the mark.
I at no point try to prove my hypothesis and do not make them in order to 'dismiss nothingness'.
I am trying to show that the first cause claims are based on assumptions that have not been proven. In other words, unless you can disprove my hypotheses, the first cause claims are not proven.
Another thing I am trying to point out is that not all bounded things have a definite edge, so many of your ideas about the beginning of the universe are invalid if the beginning is bounded but not edged (closed in mathematical language).
Also many ideas such as toppling domino's are also not valid if time is infinitely divisible.
Over all, I am trying to show that you are generally making unfounded assumptions about how the universe works based on your limited knowledge and drawing far reaching conclusions and claiming that you have proved them or they are the only 'logical outcome' when the truth is that you haven't proved your assumptions, your logic is flawed, and you don't even have the necessary education to even understand the concepts involved.
As for 'nothingness concepts' I have repeatedly stated and still maintain that even if the universe is finite, closed etc there is absolutely no reason to think that there is anything 'outside' it or that 'outside' exists or even holds meaning. At the same time there is no reason to believe that if an 'outside' does exist that it is not filled with matter/energy, other universes etc, there is no reason to assume that it is 'nothing' or that it is God.