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George Bernard Shaw The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one

Originally posted by 667joe
George Bernard Shaw The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one

Too dismissive.

Religion is a manifestation of a search for meaning in a person's life. Granted, some religious people are simply deluded about reality. But some others have simply done a better job of finding meaning in their life than certain skeptics.

Originally posted by 667joe
George Bernard Shaw The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one

This must splain why people who regularly go to church are happier and live longer.

Life has no meaning other than what the individual makes of it.

Countries with the longest life spans are generally post religion.

Originally posted by 667joe
George Bernard Shaw The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one

The misery of your own condition is not a calibration of mine.

Originally posted by 667joe
George Bernard Shaw The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one

I always thought the smarter people became the more unhappy they were.
(That's why I'm so down all the time 😀 )

Originally posted by 667joe
Life has no meaning other than what the individual makes of it.

Totally agree here. It's a sobering thought for millions, hence the many artists ,writers,thinkers and the like turning to drink

Originally posted by whodey
This must splain why people who regularly go to church are happier and live longer.

Being 'happier' and living longer is no comfort. Some semblance of truth would be.

Also doing something with your longer life would be helpful, not that I take your statement at face value

Originally posted by whodey
This must splain why people who regularly go to church are happier and live longer.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201302/do-religious-people-really-live-longer

In predominantly secular countries, community involvement is very high (6) so that atheists are much more active in their communities than they would be in a comparatively religious country such as the U.S. Instead of feeling like second class citizens, the non religious are fully integrated in their communities with all of the health advantages this brings. So what had looked like advantages of religion could be simply an advantage of being in the mainstream.

In the U.S. some health researchers are fond of giving religion the credit for boosting life expectancy. Yet despite being a nation with a large religious majority, Americans have much lower life expectancy than is enjoyed by secular countries at a similar level of economic development such as Japan and Sweden. Evidently, the lower quality of life here both provides a market for religion and reduces life expectancy.

From that perspective, it seems bizarre that health researchers would be so keen to tout the alleged health advantages of religion (2). If religion really promoted longevity, how could people have such short life expectancy in sub-Saharan Africa where virtually everyone is deeply religious?

I'd say that besides a healthy environment and access to medical care, the key to a longer life is reducing stress. Spirituality can do this for people, but is not necessarily required.