Spirituality
29 Aug 12
05 Sep 12
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Originally posted by sonhouseIf there is one thing Jesus never did that is to found a new religion of any kind whatever, being very much a Jew in a period of considerable fervour in the Jewish faith. The "Founding Fathers" are those who developed a religion around notions of worshipping Jesus, though quite how this was to be understood was subject to a lot of difference until the Council of Nicea established a reasonably firm set of doctrines as a basis for orthodoxy and hence for an organised religion. Those who wish to revert to the original teaching of Jesus are best advised to convert to the Jewish faith, though even that is a fairly amorphous system allowing for quite a lot of diversity.
FATHER'S? I thought there was only supposed to be one founding father, Jesus.
05 Sep 12
Originally posted by finnegani think whoever this jesus was (or even if he's an amalgam of different characters), he just wanted to save his people from being slaughtered by the romans. so he preached peace and patience instead of open rebellion.
If there is one thing Jesus never did that is to found a new religion of any kind whatever, being very much a Jew in a period of considerable fervour in the Jewish faith. The "Founding Fathers" are those who developed a religion around notions of worshipping Jesus, though quite how this was to be understood was subject to a lot of difference until the Counc ...[text shortened]... sh faith, though even that is a fairly amorphous system allowing for quite a lot of diversity.
history shows us how that turned out. it was a valiant try anyways.
05 Sep 12
Originally posted by VoidSpiritalas the Jews were destroyed and enslaved by the millions while the Christians who
i think whoever this jesus was (or even if he's an amalgam of different characters), he just wanted to save his people from being slaughtered by the romans. so he preached peace and patience instead of open rebellion.
history shows us how that turned out. it was a valiant try anyways.
heeded his words escaped the onslaught of the Romans, a historical drama of epic
proportions.
Originally posted by sonhouse"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6).
FATHER'S? I thought there was only supposed to be one founding father, Jesus.
When Isaiah 9:6 says that Jesus' name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, etc., it is not saying that Jesus is the eternal Father, but that he has the characteristics of God. In other words, Jesus has all the attributes of God, including eternality.
P.S. Jesus said He would build His church upon Peter. His own Jewish religion rejected Him. Those that contributed to the founding of His Church are called the founding fathers, whereas Christ Jesus is the head of His church.
The stone which the builders rejected, that has become the head of the building.
(Psalm 118:22)
07 Sep 12
Originally posted by RJHindsisaiah 9;6 doesn't say anything about what jesus' name will be called. he isn't talking talking about jesus. jesus didn't fulfill the very next verse which you neglected to quote:
"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6).[/quote]
When Isaiah 9:6 says that Jesus' name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, etc., it is not saying that Jesus ...[text shortened]... aracteristics of God. In other words, Jesus has all the attributes of God, including eternality.
isa 9;7
"Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
his government is nowhere, there is no increase in peace, there is no one on the throne of david, there is no kingdom, there is no judgment and justice forever from that time forth. the lord of hosts lacks the zeal to perform it.
sorry. epic fail on all counts. you worship a false messiah.