03 Mar 20
@fmf saidAnother words, we must suppress our desire for pleasure and happiness, and embrace hard work and suffering.
"To teach virtue we must educate the emotions, and this means learning 'what to feel' in the various circumstances that prompt them." ~ Roger Scruton
Is he right?
That's exactly what I would teach if I was a sociopathic land Lord.
@bunnyknight saidI think the quote might be better scrutinized through the prism of, say, raising children or something similar, rather than through the prism of someone renting land or a building to a tenant.
Another words, we must suppress our desire for pleasure and happiness, and embrace hard work and suffering.
That's exactly what I would teach if I was a sociopathic land Lord.
@bunnyknight saidDesire (or craving) and happiness, yes. And then these emotions too, for example excitement, joy, sadness, surprise, disgust, contempt, anger, fear, guilt, and shame. From a quick browse, I see that 27 seems to be a consensus calculation of the number of emotions! Some missing from the above list include amusement, boredom, confusion, anxiety, envy, awkwardness, and sympathy.
Another words, we must suppress our desire for pleasure and happiness, and embrace hard work and suffering.
04 Mar 20
@fmf saidOh, I've seen many children raised under very strict so-called "morality", only to wind up neurotic, confused and angry, leading to a life-long alcohol addiction, drugs, suicide and even mass murder.
I think the quote might be better scrutinized through the prism of, say, raising children or something similar, rather than through the prism of someone renting land or a building to a tenant.
04 Mar 20
@bunnyknight saidAnd so, what lesson do you draw from this? Educating the emotions should not be part of the raising and socializing of children?
Oh, I've seen many children raised under very strict so-called "morality", only to wind up neurotic, confused and angry, leading to a life-long alcohol addiction, drugs, suicide and even mass murder.
04 Mar 20
@fmf saidYes he is right.
"To teach virtue we must educate the emotions, and this means learning 'what to feel' in the various circumstances that prompt them."
~ Roger Scruton [this may be a trilogy of new threads]
Is he right?
Why are winners, winners?
Why are successful people, successful?
Why are leaders, leaders?
Why are some people more resilient to change, to hardship or to conflict than others?
- You have and I have not, therefore you must give to me.
- I have and you have not, therefore I am better than you.
Two poles of thinking which drive the worldwide divide in political attitude and ideology. There is a truth in both, but neither collectively nor individually are they the truth.
The central core is how we learn to adapt and better ourselves, while at the same time being content with what we have, where we are and that we have done our best to overcome the limitations we each have.
04 Mar 20
@fmf saidHere are some more of those "27" that are talked about: adoration, aesthetic appreciation, awe, calmness, empathetic pain, entrancement, horror, interest, nostalgia, satisfaction, sexual desire and triumph.
Desire (or craving) and happiness, yes. And then these emotions too, for example excitement, joy, sadness, surprise, disgust, contempt, anger, fear, guilt, and shame. From a quick browse, I see that 27 seems to be a consensus calculation of the number of emotions! Some missing from the above list include amusement, boredom, confusion, anxiety, envy, awkwardness, and sympathy.
04 Mar 20
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@bunnyknight saidIt's good to see a new poster [i.e. not one of the regulars] being active here and I welcome you, at least on behalf of myself. I am trying to understand what you are reacting to with your two posts so far on this thread. Are you reacting to the word "virtue" in the OP?
Oh, I've seen many children raised under very strict so-called "morality", only to wind up neurotic, confused and angry, leading to a life-long alcohol addiction, drugs, suicide and even mass murder.
04 Mar 20
@fmf saidYou forgot sexy
Here are some more of those "27" that are talked about: adoration, aesthetic appreciation, awe, calmness, empathetic pain, entrancement, horror, interest, nostalgia, satisfaction, sexual desire and triumph.
04 Mar 20
@vartiovuori saidI think if someone is, for example, too "sexy" for their shirt, it is potentially empirical and intellectual and not in the realm of emotions.
You forgot sexy
04 Mar 20
@fmf said"Educating" is not much different from "feeding". If you feed your child soda, candy-bars and fried meat, you basically guarantee that the child will become very sick. Same goes for "educating". You can do it right, or do it wrong. Get the idea?
And so, what lesson do you draw from this? Educating the emotions should not be part of the raising and socializing of children?
04 Mar 20
@bunnyknight saidI am trying to follow your posts in this thread but I’m having difficulty connecting your analogy of a “sociopathic landlord”, your tangential “very strict morality” and your ultimate conclusion of “mass murder”.
"Educating" is not much different from "feeding". If you feed your child soda, candy-bars and fried meat, you basically guarantee that the child will become very sick. Same goes for "educating". You can do it right, or do it wrong. Get the idea?
Can you elucidate please?
04 Mar 20
@bunnyknight saidBears can poo in the woods right and bears can poo in the woods wrong. Is that the idea you want me to get?
You can do it right, or do it wrong. Get the idea?
04 Mar 20
@divegeester saidOur entire history is riddled with “sociopathic landlords” who worked people to death so they can enrich themselves with wealth and luxury. And while they preached the virtues of hard work and the promise of eternal life, they indulged in sins you can't imagine.
I am trying to follow your posts in this thread but I’m having difficulty connecting your analogy of a “sociopathic landlord”, your tangential “very strict morality” and your ultimate conclusion of “mass murder”.
Can you elucidate please?
As for people snapping and committing suicide or mass-murder, it should be quite obvious even to a dummy that our society and its teachings are very flawed. We have a society that's both physically and mentally sick.