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Spirituality 05 Feb '11 21:51
  1. Standard memberRBHILL
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    Is this going on right now?

    Isaiah 19
    A Prophecy Against Egypt
    1 A prophecy against Egypt:
    See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud
    and is coming to Egypt.
    The idols of Egypt tremble before him,
    and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

    2 “I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—
    brother will fight against brother,
    neighbor against neighbor,
    city against city,
    kingdom against kingdom.
    3 The Egyptians will lose heart,
    and I will bring their plans to nothing;
    they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead,
    the mediums and the spiritists.
    4 I will hand the Egyptians over
    to the power of a cruel master,
    and a fierce king will rule over them,”
    declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty.

    5 The waters of the river will dry up,
    and the riverbed will be parched and dry.
    6 The canals will stink;
    the streams of Egypt will dwindle and dry up.
    The reeds and rushes will wither,
    7 also the plants along the Nile,
    at the mouth of the river.
    Every sown field along the Nile
    will become parched, will blow away and be no more.
    8 The fishermen will groan and lament,
    all who cast hooks into the Nile;
    those who throw nets on the water
    will pine away.
    9 Those who work with combed flax will despair,
    the weavers of fine linen will lose hope.
    10 The workers in cloth will be dejected,
    and all the wage earners will be sick at heart.

    11 The officials of Zoan are nothing but fools;
    the wise counselors of Pharaoh give senseless advice.
    How can you say to Pharaoh,
    “I am one of the wise men,
    a disciple of the ancient kings”?

    12 Where are your wise men now?
    Let them show you and make known
    what the LORD Almighty
    has planned against Egypt.
    13 The officials of Zoan have become fools,
    the leaders of Memphis are deceived;
    the cornerstones of her peoples
    have led Egypt astray.
    14 The LORD has poured into them
    a spirit of dizziness;
    they make Egypt stagger in all that she does,
    as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.
    15 There is nothing Egypt can do—
    head or tail, palm branch or reed.

    16 In that day the Egyptians will become weaklings. They will shudder with fear at the uplifted hand that the LORD Almighty raises against them. 17 And the land of Judah will bring terror to the Egyptians; everyone to whom Judah is mentioned will be terrified, because of what the LORD Almighty is planning against them.

    18 In that day five cities in Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear allegiance to the LORD Almighty. One of them will be called the City of the Sun.

    19 In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the heart of Egypt, and a monument to the LORD at its border. 20 It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them. 21 So the LORD will make himself known to the Egyptians, and in that day they will acknowledge the LORD. They will worship with sacrifices and grain offerings; they will make vows to the LORD and keep them. 22 The LORD will strike Egypt with a plague; he will strike them and heal them. They will turn to the LORD, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.

    23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. 25 The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”
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    05 Feb '11 22:30
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Is this going on right now?

    Isaiah 19
    A Prophecy Against Egypt
    1 A prophecy against Egypt:
    See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud
    and is coming to Egypt.
    The idols of Egypt tremble before him,
    and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

    2 “I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—
    brother will fight against brother,
    nei ...[text shortened]... ess them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”
    No.

    They couldn't foretell what would happen thousands of years into the future. They couldn't then, we can't now.
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    05 Feb '11 22:57
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Is this going on right now?

    Isaiah 19
    A Prophecy Against Egypt
    1 A prophecy against Egypt:
    See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud
    and is coming to Egypt.
    The idols of Egypt tremble before him,
    and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

    2 “I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—
    brother will fight against brother,
    nei ...[text shortened]... ess them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”
    Well, if it's literal it doesn't tie up - the rivers and canals for example; if it's symbolic then it probably refers to spiritual captivity and is therefore a prophesy about one of the ages post Christ.
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    05 Feb '11 23:28
    Can anyone trust the mainstream mdeia? I cant.
    I have heard no independent news on the subject yet....
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    05 Feb '11 23:55
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Can anyone trust the mainstream mdeia? I cant.
    I have heard no independent news on the subject yet....
    Well if you are not using "mainstream media" for news then what would count as "independent" for you? Perhaps you should join RBHILL and get your news from the Bible? I understand it's quite reliable as long as you know how to interpret it. Perhaps it's like weather forecasts. They get less reliable as they predict further into the future. The Bible gets more reliable as you project further into the past.
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    06 Feb '11 00:18
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Is this going on right now? [...] “I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—brother will fight against brother, neighbor against neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom."
    No.

    In fact, Egyptian Christians knowingly put themselves in harm's way to protect Egyptian Muslims during their daily prayers.

    At this point, the only people manipulating other people seems to be the people in government manipulating pro-government protestors.
  7. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    06 Feb '11 00:28
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Well if you are not using "mainstream media" for news then what would count as "independent" for you? Perhaps you should join RBHILL and get your news from the Bible? I understand it's quite reliable as long as you know how to interpret it. Perhaps it's like weather forecasts. They get less reliable as they predict further into the future. The Bible gets more reliable as you project further into the past.
    Independent news? Truly independent?
    Me seeing for myself. Possibly a trusted scource.

    I read Nexus magazine from time to time, but I must admit that I've replaced my morning mainstream news ritual with the RHP forums.

    Thnx everyone.
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    06 Feb '11 00:43
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Independent news? Truly independent?
    Me seeing for myself. Possibly a trusted scource.

    I read Nexus magazine from time to time, but I must admit that I've replaced my morning mainstream news ritual with the RHP forums.

    Thnx everyone.
    Well there are pretty reasonable criteria for establishing the quality of various media, which must of course be combined with critical reading based on relevant education. Reading or listening to current affairs is not a passive process of allowing "The Truth" to be drained softly into your head via whatever orifice is not busy at the time.
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    06 Feb '11 00:54
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Well there are pretty reasonable criteria for establishing the quality of various media, which must of course be combined with critical reading based on relevant education. Reading or listening to current affairs is not a passive process of allowing "The Truth" to be drained softly into your head via whatever orifice is not busy at the time.
    The only office I ever spent much time in was the priniples' office at school.

    And I'm suss on everyone, but i still like you all...
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    06 Feb '11 01:07
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Is this going on right now?

    Isaiah 19
    A Prophecy Against Egypt
    1 A prophecy against Egypt:
    See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud
    and is coming to Egypt.
    The idols of Egypt tremble before him,
    and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

    2 “I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—
    brother will fight against brother,
    nei ...[text shortened]... ess them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”
    I think there is something wholly problematic about applying biblical prophecies to modern times. What the scripture authors meant by Egypt hardly corresponds to modern times. Egypt was a highly cosmopolitan region, with frequent commerce with the Mediterranean. It was ethnically, religiously and culturally diverse. The biblical authors largely regarded Egypt as a morally debauched and no doubt harboured a grudge because of their whole Moses myth. But how can this be the same Egypt nowadays which is far more ethnically homogeneous and which is largely Islamic. Even geographic boundaries have changed significantly over the past millennia since this prophecy was written. How could this prophecy about Egypt possibly apply today?
  11. Standard memberRBHILL
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    06 Feb '11 02:32
    Originally posted by finnegan
    The Bible gets more reliable as you project further into the past.
    That is for sure the truth, Amen.
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    08 Feb '11 01:44
    smeones post from another site:

    Isaiah 19:4 "And the Egyptians I will give into the hands of a cruel master. And a fierce king will rule over them, says the Lord of Hosts"

    If the muslim brotherhood is able to take control it will be very bad for the people that live there.
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    If the muslim brotherhood is able to take control it will be very bad for the people that live there.[/b]
    if they get voted in would it be ok to invade looking for WMDs
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