@suzianne saidThe OP and thread title raise the notion of "escape". You - not coincidentally - talked about "escape" in your post. However, the "escape" mentioned in this OP is not "Heaven", but, instead, it is a form of "escape" from the misanthropic outlook - that Christian beliefs propagate in many people - during their lifetime. If you are not interested in this OP you should consider starting a thread of your own.
I wasn't responding to the OP.
@fmf saidI was responding to another poster, I was not responding to your OP.
The OP and thread title raise the notion of "escape". You - not coincidentally - talked about "escape" in your post. However, the "escape" mentioned in this OP is not "Heaven", but, instead, it is a form of "escape" from the misanthropic outlook - that Christian beliefs propagate in many people - during their lifetime. If you are not interested in this OP you should consider starting a thread of your own.
if you disagree with something I said, you have every right to.
You do not have the right to eschew the thread title with your attacks on those who do not address the OP. Your "escape" is imaginary, apparently.
@secondson saidI see no reason anyone should be 'wearied'.
Boring is your shtick about misanthropy and your assertion that Christianity propagates it.
You've been wearying this forum with it for years.
Just ignore the thread if you don't find the subject interesting.
It sure works for me.
@secondson saidTake KellyJay's Christian belief for example: that every human being is "unbelievably evil and wicked" and deserves to be "tormented in burning flames for eternity" regardless of what they do, what they think, and how they behave during their lifetimes.
Boring is your shtick about misanthropy and your assertion that Christianity propagates it.
That is pure, toxic, industrial-grade misanthropy, whether you choose to admit it or not.
And it's KellyJay's Christianity, explicitly and specifically, that imbues him with this perspective on his fellow human beings.
Added to that is the eager anticipation on the part of many Christians for the "end times" when billions and billions of people, their children, their families, will supposedly be destroyed and, apparently, deservedly so.
Many Christians welcome this and hope that it happens in their lifetimes. This is religion-fuelled misanthropy too.
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@fmf saidWhen you say ‘many Christians’ and you’re actually referring to less than 1% of all Christians it sounds like you’re actually distorting the facts.
Added to that is the eager anticipation on the part of many Christians for the "end times" when billions and billions of people, their children, their families, will supposedly be destroyed and, apparently, deservedly so.
Many Christians welcome this and hope that it happens in their lifetimes. This is religion-fuelled misanthropy too.
@dj2becker saidLess than one percent? No. I think it's far more than that. Most of the prominent Christian posters that have been active here in this community for over 10 years, for example.
When you say ‘many Christians’ and you’re actually referring to less than 1% of all Christians it sounds like you’re actually distorting the facts.
@fmf saidYour perspective is flawed, but then so is everyone's.
Added to that is the eager anticipation on the part of many Christians for the "end times" when billions and billions of people, their children, their families, will supposedly be destroyed and, apparently, deservedly so.
Many Christians welcome this and hope that it happens in their lifetimes. This is religion-fuelled misanthropy too.
Since the Bible is the reservoir of Truth from which Christianity derives its name, and since the Bible explicitly claims to be the sole repository of the knowledge of the one and only true and living God, containing that information which God has determined is essential for man's benefit and understanding of life, it's origins and ultimate destination, and since the Bible(the Word of God) clearly states that man(mankind) is flawed and separated by sin from the life of God, which is eternal life, and since the Bible states that "...God so loved the world(mankind), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life", it is imperative that the believer should proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ, including the warning of impending destruction that awaits those that reject God's salvation.
To suggest and assert that Christians promote a misanthropic ideology is in and of itself misanthropic.
One would indeed be misanthropic if such a one would seek to twist the truth into a lie and cause others to reject the salvation of God in Christ and forever lose the proffered gift of eternal life.
By corrupting the truth and labeling the teachings of scripture and those who believe them as misanthropic, one becomes a "blind guide" and one "who hold(suppress) the truth in unrighteousness".
A true misanthrope is one that denies others access to the truth by calling God a liar.
Not if, but when Jesus Christ returns, I would not want to be in his shoes.
@secondson saidI don't think I am being misanthropic at all. I admire, work with, live among, and love countless Christians. This even includes some of those to whom this thread's OP is referring.
To suggest and assert that Christians promote a misanthropic ideology is in and of itself misanthropic.
@bigdoggproblem saidI do.
I see no reason anyone should be 'wearied'.
Just ignore the thread if you don't find the subject interesting.
It sure works for me.
I ignore a lot of threads and a great many posts.
Whatever works for you is fine by me. 🙂
@secondson saidIf you are referring to me, I am not denying anyone "access" to their religious beliefs. And I don't share your speculations and opinions about the "God" that you believe exists so I am not "calling God a liar".
A true misanthrope is one that denies others access to the truth by calling God a liar.
@secondson saidI am not "lying" about anything. If people want to believe in "the salvation of God in Christ" and believe that there is a "proffered gift of eternal life", then they should just go ahead and act on those beliefs.
One would indeed be misanthropic if such a one would seek to twist the truth into a lie and cause others to reject the salvation of God in Christ and forever lose the proffered gift of eternal life.
@secondson saidThis is a very weak debating point for you to be using when engaging with a non-believer who's presenting his dissenting view ~ and doing so in a calling-a-spade-a-spade way. Perhaps you typed it for the benefit of people who already agree with it? It doesn't have any traction with me.
By corrupting the truth and labeling the teachings of scripture and those who believe them as misanthropic, one becomes a "blind guide" and one "who hold(suppress) the truth in unrighteousness".