Escape from Misanthropy

@secondson [i]said[/i
God the father too has demonstrated His love objectively by sending His Son to pay the penalty for sin on our behalf. My subjective "feeling" is secondary and a consequence of the knowledge of the objective truth of the demonstration of God's love in Christ.

The misanthropy I am referring to on this thread is that demonstrated by many Christians. You are not tackling what I have said by simply regurgitating religious dogma.

@secondson said My subjective experience of God's love aside, God's love is real and objective by the mere fact that God's love comes from a real being. Just as you know your wife and children love you, not just because they tell you so, but because they show it. Their love is demonstrated objectively through action and not by words only.

No amount of sprinkling words like "objective" and "real" and "fact" and "know" and "objectively" onto the assertions you are making will alter the fact that your personal opinions, beliefs and aspirations are completely subjective and immune to the kind of empirical scrutiny that might make them objective.

@secondson said
Here again your ideological view is flawed due to the lack of firsthand experience with the love of God.

I have decades of "firsthand experience" of believing "God's love" was real.

@secondson said
@FMF

"I believe that a sense of being a recipient of "God's love" is merely a kind of euphoric feeling that your religious beliefs give you."

Here again your ideological view is flawed due to the lack of firsthand experience with the love of God.

My perspective on this, actually, is based on my "firsthand experience" of being a Christian and my subsequent "firsthand experience" of discussing this stuff with people who are still Christians.

@fmf said
I am not lying. It's not that I "don't think" I am lying. I am, quite simply, not lying.

Ok, let's not beat around the bush. This is a "spirituality" forum where the "truth" is paramount.

Since I "believe" what the Bible says is "truth" in counter distinction to all other claims, and since you claim the Bible and the words in it are not inspired by God, you are indeed lying.

Differentiate between between being called a liar and me saying you're lying about the scriptures. There's a big difference.

If, the scriptures are true and are in fact inspired of God, then they themselves say you're lying.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

I know that as a person you're not a liar in the sense of being one in your everyday life and interactions with others in your community and in the world like some kind of habitual liar and criminal.

But within the context of this forum relative to the discussion of spirituality and the truth of it, the scriptures clearly define what you promote in these threads contrary to the truth expressed by the scriptures as lying.

Especially when you label as misanthropic those that know and believe that God is love.

In contrast it is your views and perspectives that are misanthropic because you are saying the opposite of what the scriptures actually teach.

@secondson said
Since I "believe" what the Bible says is "truth" in counter distinction to all other claims, and since you claim the Bible and the words in it are not inspired by God, you are indeed lying.

I am not lying. I am being honest.

@secondson said
Differentiate between between being called a liar and me saying you're lying about the scriptures. There's a big difference.

I am neither a liar nor am I lying. You are mistaken.

@secondson said
If, the scriptures are true and are in fact inspired of God, then they themselves say you're lying.

Neither of us is lying. Both of us are being honest. You are, however, using the words "lie", "liar", and "lying" incorrectly.

@secondson said
But within the context of this forum relative to the discussion of spirituality and the truth of it, the scriptures clearly define what you promote in these threads contrary to the truth expressed by the scriptures as lying.

No. You are using the word incorrectly. I am not lying. I am being 100% honest and candid with you.

@secondson said
n contrast it is your views and perspectives that are misanthropic because you are saying the opposite of what the scriptures actually teach.

I am just sharing my perspective. I have explained its basis. Just calling me misanthropic over and over again is not addressing the perspective or its basis.

@secondson said
Especially when you label as misanthropic those that know and believe that God is love.

You keep posting as if you haven't read what I wrote on page 1. If someone believes that all human beings are evil and wicked and deserve to be tortured... well... one can hardly be more misanthropic than that.