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    Most agnostics understand that fear of death is the main reason why some people are religious. This fear is only natural and normal and I dont blame them for this.
    When humans are disappointed in reality they often create a little dream world of their own, where everything is perfect. The problem with this is that it does not solve their problem and in the end they will be confronted with the hard reality nevertheless.

    Because I care about my fellow humans I will now try to solve your problem from an agnostic/realist point of view.
    here are some facts:
    - no one can know for sure if there is a god/afterlife or not.
    - Your genes can live on forever in your children, and grandchildren etc.
    - Your ideals/idees can live on forever in the form of books, your children, and grandchildren etc.
    - A lot of original christian values are very noble, these include: pacifism, soccialism, using your talents to the best of your ability.

    Using all these facts you can come to the conclusion that you can reach eternal life (even in a christian way), by using your talents to the best of your ability.
    For example there was a man names Johan Sebastian Bach who lived during the 17th century who had a talent for composing music, He composed music all his life and dedicated his life to it. He has made bilions of people happy with his music. Now, more than 300 years later this man is still alive and will live on forever though his music!

    Another way to reach eternal life is to make children and convince them of your Noble ideals. (soccialism, pacifism etc) Because children have a very high sense of justice it will be easy to convice them of your righteous ideas. Now your ideals will live on forever in your children/ grandchildren, etc (because they in turn will teach this to their children)

    Some last advice:
    - Never assume anything from anyone without thinking about it yourself first.
    - Remember that humans depend on each other and they cant live without each other so helping another is helping yourself.

    Always happy to help,

    Maarten.
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    06 Sep '05 20:58
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    - Remember that humans depend on each other and they cant live without each other so helping another is helping yourself.

    Always happy to help,

    Maarten.
    Can you give me $200
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    06 Sep '05 21:31
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard

    - Remember that humans depend on each other and they cant live without each other so helping another is helping yourself.
    If this sentiment is true then we are all doomed. Look out for #1, but no man is an island unto himself.
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    07 Sep '05 09:24
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Can you give me $200
    Im just a poor student.
    But you dont need it anyway, because if you did you would not be chating here with me.๐Ÿ˜‰
  5. Standard memberShallowBlue
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    07 Sep '05 09:34
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    Most agnostics understand that fear of death is the main reason why some people are religious. This fear is only natural and normal and I dont blame them for this.
    When humans are disappointed in reality they often create a little dream world of their own, where everything is perfect. The problem with this is that it does not solve their probl ...[text shortened]... without each other so helping another is helping yourself.

    Always happy to help,

    Maarten.
    Aren't you contradicting yourself???

    It appears as if you have created a little dream world of your own where you have convinced yourself that Mr Bach is in some way still alive - when in reality he actually is dead. ๐Ÿ™‚
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    07 Sep '05 09:41
    Originally posted by Canadaguy
    If this sentiment is true then we are all doomed. Look out for #1, but no man is an island unto himself.
    Why would think we are all doomed? Please explain...

    Its very simple really, for example:
    We have an employer who has a plumming company, his employees depend on him to create jobs for them. In turn the employer depends on society to create the jobs for his employers. Society depends on the plummer to fixs their problem etc.

    This is only an example, humans depend on each other in many ways.
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    07 Sep '05 09:50
    Originally posted by ShallowBlue
    Aren't you contradicting yourself???

    It appears as if you have created a little dream world of your own where you have convinced yourself that Mr Bach is in some way still alive - when in reality he actually is dead. ๐Ÿ™‚
    Listen to his music and you'll figure out what I mean. But if you dont, maybe we should get deeper into this.

    First you should define who you are, what makes you the "individual" that you think you are? What makes you different from everyone else?
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    07 Sep '05 10:05
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    Listen to his music and you'll figure out what I mean. But if you dont, maybe we should get deeper into this.

    First you should define who you are, what makes you the "individual" that you think you are? What makes you different from everyone else?
    Hmmm....I had a bit of a think and I'm pretty sure he's still dead.
    The fact that there is evidence that he once lived (his music) doesn't mean he is alive now - unless you are using the word 'alive' in some metaphorical sense.

    Think about this; How much evidence of their life does a person have to leave behind to be designated as somehow still alive?

    For instance - an unknown french soldier carved his initials on the Great Pyramid in Egypt. Does the fact that there is some small record of his existence mean that he is alive now?
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    For some reason this thread has got me thinking about holograms. Can anyone clear this up?
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    07 Sep '05 10:22
    Originally posted by ShallowBlue
    Hmmm....I had a bit of a think and I'm pretty sure he's still dead.
    The fact that there is evidence that he once lived (his music) doesn't mean he is alive now - unless you are using the word 'alive' in some metaphorical sense.

    Think about this; How much evidence of their life does a person have to leave behind to be designated as somehow still ...[text shortened]... Egypt. Does the fact that there is some small record of his existence mean that he is alive now?
    You should become a politician, your dodging my question:

    First you should define who you are, what makes you the "individual" that you think you are? What makes you different from everyone else?

    And second whats your definition of life?
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    07 Sep '05 11:58
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    Im just a poor student.
    But you dont need it anyway, because if you did you would not be chating here with me.๐Ÿ˜‰
    If I am poorer than you, you owe me that money....pay up guy.
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    07 Sep '05 12:43
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    Most agnostics understand that fear of death is the main reason why some people are religious. This fear is only natural and normal and I dont blame them for this.
    When humans are disappointed in reality they often create a little dream world of their own, where everything is perfect. The problem with this is that it does not solve their probl ...[text shortened]... without each other so helping another is helping yourself.

    Always happy to help,

    Maarten.
    As Woody Allen said, "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to acheive immortality through not dying."
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    07 Sep '05 15:02
    Originally posted by rwingett
    As Woody Allen said, "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to acheive immortality through not dying."
    Isent that a very egoistic point of view?
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    08 Sep '05 13:06
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    Most agnostics understand that fear of death is the main reason why some people are religious. This fear is only natural and normal and I dont blame them for this.
    When humans are disappointed in reality they often create a little dream world of their own, where everything is perfect. The problem with this is that it does not solve their probl ...[text shortened]... without each other so helping another is helping yourself.

    Always happy to help,

    Maarten.
    WRONG!!!! WRONG!!!! WRONG!!!! WRONG!!!! WRONG!!!!

    His works are around, where is his Spirit. His genes are around where is his body??

    His products are around, but where is he???
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    08 Sep '05 13:12
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    Isent that a very egoistic point of view?
    Isn't not caring about your actual death a very self-abasing point of view?
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