1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    Even Atheists Fear the Word 'God', Study Suggests"

    "Research suggests that even for committed non-believers, it’s difficult to totally erase the powerful idea of God from one’s psyche. April 29, 2013 This article first appeared on Pacific Standard Magazine. The heads and hearts of atheists may not be on precisely the same page. That’s the implication of recently published research from Finland, which finds avowed non-believers become emotionally aroused when daring God to do terrible things.

    “The results imply that atheists’ attitudes toward God are ambivalent, in that their explicit beliefs conflict with their affective response,” concludes a research team led by University of Helsinki psychologist Marjaana Lindeman. Its study is published in the International Journal for the Psychology of Religion.

    Lindeman and her colleagues describe two small-scale experiments. The first featured 17 Finns, recruited online, who expressed high levels of belief, or disbelief, in God. They read out loud a series of statements while skin conductance data was collected via electrodes placed on two of their fingers.

    Some of the statements were direct dares to a deity (“I dare God to make my parents drown&rdquo😉. Others were similarly disturbing, but did not reference God (“It’s OK to kick a puppy in the face&rdquo😉. Still others were bland and neutral (“I hope it’s not raining today&rdquo😉. The arousal levels of the believers and non-believers followed precisely the same pattern: Higher for both the God dares and otherwise unpleasant statements, and lower for the neutral ones.

    Compared to the atheists, the believers reported feeling more uncomfortable reciting the God dares. But skin conductance data revealed the underlying emotional reactions of the two groups were essentially the same. This suggests that taunting God made the atheists more upset than they were letting on (even to themselves).

    Of course, perhaps it wasn’t the presence of God, but rather the subject matter of the statements (such as the death of their parents) that caused the atheists’ emotional arousal. The second experiment was designed to test that hypothesis. It featured 19 Finnish atheists, who participated in an expanded version of the first experiment.

    It included 10 additional statements—variations on the God dares which excluded any mention of supernatural forces. For example, in addition to “I dare God to turn all my friends against me,” they read out loud the statement: “I wish all of my friends would turn against me.” The results: The atheists showed greater emotional arousal when reading the God-related statements than while reading the otherwise nearly identical sentences that omitted the almighty. To the researchers, this indicates that “even atheists have difficulty daring God to harm themselves and their loved ones.”

    “There are at least four potential explanations for these findings,” Lindeman and her colleagues write. The simplest and most provocative is that “atheists’ explicit beliefs may differ from the implicit reactions that exist outside of conscious awareness.” But other possibilities are equally plausible. Atheists “may have found using the word God stressful because others, possibly their friends and family, do take God seriously,” they note. Alternatively, they may have found the idea of God “absurd or aversive,” leading to the heightened emotional response.

    Finally, the researchers note, “although atheists did not currently believe in God, they may have been influenced by their own previous beliefs.” They point to research from 2006 that found three-quarters of American atheists were once believers. Perhaps the emotional response measured in this study is an echo of that previous belief. If so, it suggests that even for committed non-believers, it’s difficult to totally erase the idea of God from one’s psyche.

    Tom Jacobs is a veteran journalist with more than 20 years experience at daily newspapers. He has served as a staff writer for the Los Angeles Daily News and the Santa Barbara News-Press. His work has also appeared in the Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune and Ventura County Star."

    http://www.alternet.org/belief/even-atheists-fear-word-god-study-suggests
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    14 Feb '14 20:02
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Even Atheists Fear the Word 'God', Study Suggests"

    "Research suggests that even for committed non-believers, it’s difficult to totally erase the powerful idea of God from one’s psyche. April 29, 2013 This article first appeared on Pacific Standard Magazine. The heads and hearts of atheists may not be on precisely the same page. That’s t ...[text shortened]... tura County Star."

    http://www.alternet.org/belief/even-atheists-fear-word-god-study-suggests[/b]
    OP: "Why are atheists afraid of me?"

    GB: "Beats the prunes out of me."

    OP: "What will happen to me?"

    GB: "Probably die at a young age."

    OP: "Will I go to heaven?"

    GB: "That's entirely up to you."
  3. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    Epitaph: [No One Would Touch the Dare]
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    14 Mar '14 23:131 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    OP: "Why are atheists afraid of me?"

    GB: "Beats the prunes out of me."

    OP: "What will happen to me?"

    GB: "Probably die at a young age."

    OP: "Will I go to heaven?"

    GB: "That's entirely up to you."
    [GB, standing in for the putative God.]
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    14 Mar '14 23:19
    Originally posted by JS357
    [GB, standing in for the putative God.]
    [JS357, standing in for the first diversionary atheist.]
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    14 Mar '14 23:19
    Originally posted by JS357
    [GB, standing in for the putative God.]
    Just the conscientious sponsor of the OP which may languish into cyber oblivion then perish due to disinterest and neglect.
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Just the conscientious sponsor of the OP which may languish into cyber oblivion then perish due to disinterest and neglect.
    Freaky and I are doing what we can to help.

    Your languishing comment reminds me of "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett. Small gods are those gods who cease to exist if they are not believed in. I think you'll do better, out of sheer persistence.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Gods
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    15 Mar '14 00:14
    Originally posted by JS357
    Freaky and I are doing what we can to help.

    Your languishing comment reminds me of "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett. Small gods are those gods who cease to exist if they are not believed in. I think you'll do better, out of sheer persistence.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Gods
    Friday, March 14, 2014

    To: OP Herein

    Re: Cyber Guardian Angels*

    Providentially, it would now appear you have two* known as

    }JS{

    and

    }FKBH{

    Remain patient even though your pages are still numbered.

    Regards,
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Even Atheists Fear the Word 'God', Study Suggests"

    "Research suggests that even for committed non-believers, it’s difficult to totally erase the powerful idea of God from one’s psyche. April 29, 2013 This article first appeared on Pacific Standard Magazine. The heads and hearts of atheists may not be on precisely the same page. That’s the ...[text shortened]... Ventura County Star."

    http://www.alternet.org/belief/even-atheists-fear-word-god-study-suggests
    Bumped for Herb14: Hi, Herb. I appreciate your "10 Things I Wish Everyone Knew About Atheism."
    Any comments on this "research from Finland": "Even Atheists Fear the Word 'God'..." Thanks.
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    18 Apr '14 23:15
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Even Atheists Fear the Word 'God', Study Suggests"

    "Research suggests that even for committed non-believers, it’s difficult to totally erase the powerful idea of God from one’s psyche. April 29, 2013 This article first appeared on Pacific Standard Magazine. The heads and hearts of atheists may not be on precisely the same page. That’s t ...[text shortened]... tura County Star."

    http://www.alternet.org/belief/even-atheists-fear-word-god-study-suggests[/b]
    /facepalm
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    /facepalm
    Urban Dictionary: facepalm

    "The act of dropping one's face / forehead into one's hand. Usually accompanied by a "thunk" or a cry of "D'oh!" Usually written between asteriks in online ..." www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=facepalm‎

    Hi, Suzi. May I ask why your reply suggests extreme disappointment? Or am I misreading the Urban Slang for "facepalm"?
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Urban Dictionary: facepalm

    "The act of dropping one's face / forehead into one's hand. Usually accompanied by a "thunk" or a cry of "D'oh!" Usually written between asteriks in online ..." www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=facepalm‎

    Hi, Suzi. May I ask why your reply suggests extreme disappointment? Or am I misreading the Urban Slang for "facepalm"?
    Bob, why do you persist in irritating the atheists with threads like this?

    Atheists do not believe in God. What don't you get about this?

    And stuff like this isn't going to suddenly get all of them to convert, you know.

    You're just pissing them off because you're appearing to just be disrespecting them. Can't we just "love our neighbor" here? I shouldn't have to remind you that respect is a part of love.

    Edit: Would it be better if they were all gay??
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Bob, why do you persist in irritating the atheists with threads like this?

    Atheists do not believe in God. What don't you get about this?

    And stuff like this isn't going to suddenly get all of them to convert, you know.

    You're just pissing them off because you're appearing to just be disrespecting them. Can't we just "love our neighbor" here? I ...[text shortened]... to remind you that respect is a part of love.

    Edit: Would it be better if they were all gay??
    Edit: Would it be better if they were all gay??


    Better for whom????
  14. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    19 Apr '14 00:22
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Bob, why do you persist in irritating the atheists with threads like this?

    Atheists do not believe in God. What don't you get about this?

    And stuff like this isn't going to suddenly get all of them to convert, you know.

    You're just pissing them off because you're appearing to just be disrespecting them. Can't we just "love our neighbor" here? I ...[text shortened]... to remind you that respect is a part of love.

    Edit: Would it be better if they were all gay??
    “The results imply that atheists’ attitudes toward God are ambivalent, in that their explicit beliefs conflict with their affective response,” concludes a research team led by University of Helsinki psychologist Marjaana Lindeman. Its study is published in the International Journal for the Psychology of Religion...."

    Suzi, the findings from this professional study appear to be objective and unbiased. It caught my attention with its "dares" and its clarity. I presented it in good faith with the hope others would also find it stimulating. Since when does this forum seek to placate or coddle atheists or theists? I'm not here to "get all of them to convert" today or ever. That's the job of the Holy Spirit, the Executor of Salvation, in His Common Grace Ministry. I am here to receive and provide accurate information on spirituality related topics and issues. "I shouldn't have to remind you that respect is a part of love."-Suzi Of course. And God's Unfailing Love doesn't spare our tender emotions and feelings. Christ came with a sword not an Olive Branch. The adversary is Satan not fellow believers. "Faithful are the wounds of a friend" and only a few will ever tell you the truth.
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "I shouldn't have to remind you that respect is a part of love."-Suzi Of course. And God's Unfailing Love doesn't spare our tender emotions and feelings. Christ came with a sword not an Olive Branch. The adversary is Satan not fellow believers. "Faithful are the wounds of a friend" and only a few will ever tell you the truth.
    You believe that people with different beliefs from you ~ your 'adversaries' ~ here in this little community are "Satan" or related to "Satan" in some way?
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