Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeBased on your point of view?
From the outside looking in, you seem to be portraying a God who is needy, petty and jealous.
It's like a father seeing his daughter's love for a puppy and being jealous of that love. He then tells the daughter to sacrifice the puppy to him, but because he actually wants to kill the puppy but just as a reminder to the daughter that she should love him more than the puppy.
And you worship this dude?
Typical leftist...
Don't question my point of view, just answer the question as I frame it. Come now, answer my question as I frame it based on my belief system. If you don't play my game, you are just stupid.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeAs I said before, the story of Abraham was not just to test Abraham, it was a message to those religions at that time that the God of the Bible finds such practice as child sacrifice as an abomination. It was an attempt to save more lives by turning people away from such practices.
From the outside looking in, you seem to be portraying a God who is needy, petty and jealous.
It's like a father seeing his daughter's love for a puppy and being jealous of that love. He then tells the daughter to sacrifice the puppy to him, but because he actually wants to kill the puppy but just as a reminder to the daughter that she should love him more than the puppy.
And you worship this dude?
Or you can choose to simply look through your microscope instead of getting the big picture. God also sent his prophets out to warn the people, after which they would persecute and often kill them.
God is reaching his hand out to the lost and dying. Those who have already found him will ultimately be OK, no matter there sufferings that are temporary. If it inconveniences us in this present life to help those who have no hope then so be it.
Originally posted by whodeyYou are projecting.
We are all sheep. Trump and Obama are prime examples of what I'm talking about here. We are wired to want a leader, someone to guide them, someone to trust.
I trust neither man, the only one I trust is Christ. However, you are forced to tie your donkey to someone who will promise you your collective salvation, someone like Obama. They are a dime a doze ...[text shortened]... you say he is not greedy but chose to serve God for prosperity? That does not make much sense.
I don't need a "leader". It's you who needs a perfect leader who can't be criticized, not me. If anyone to whom I look up were to do anything as disgusting as your "infallible" god, I'd turn my back on that person and never look back. Not you. You accept god's disgusting behaviour and even worship him.
That's you, Whodey. Not me.
"probably in the death throws."
Ah, yes. Typical religious "end-of-the-world" claptrap. The only disease here is the mental disease inside your head, where you believe in a silly Imaginary Friend.
I don't need a shepherd, Whodey. Already told you, you are projecting YOUR need for a shepherd onto me. It's your mental spine that is so weak you need a "perfect leader", not mine.
What I said is that god awarded Abe "the root of all evil" for being obedient. You consider money "the root of all evil", yet that is what your god awarded Abe for being obedient to the point of wanting to murder his son (and still ended up sacrificing a harmless animal, for go(o)d measure. Abe wasn't going home without shedding some blood). Seems your god doesn't quite agree with you on money being the root of all evil.
Oh, and just for funzies, it's worth pointing out AGAIN that the story of Abe almost murdering his son exists to hammer home the importance of being obedient to god, not to make a point against child sacrifice.
It can't be pointed out enough the importance your god attaches to obaying his commands without question. And that is what YOU support, not me.
Originally posted by EladarLMAO. Eladar with his typical "Uh, dunno what to say so imma just gonna call him leftist".
Based on your point of view?
Typical leftist...
Don't question my point of view, just answer the question as I frame it. Come now, answer my question as I frame it based on my belief system. If you don't play my game, you are just stupid.
Originally posted by EladarI'm a left handed Conservative. Does that make me a 'leftist?'
Based on your point of view?
Typical leftist...
Don't question my point of view, just answer the question as I frame it. Come now, answer my question as I frame it based on my belief system. If you don't play my game, you are just stupid.
(But sure, the stupid hat does seems to fit your head quite nicely).
Originally posted by whodeyAt the risk of shocking you senseless, I actually agree with you.
Abraham's devotion was obviously toward God and not the things of this world. In fact, the one thing Abraham wanted most of all in this world was a son, not money. God then asked him for it.
The point here was not to take his son, the point was to show that Abraham's most prized possession was the Lord who gave him his son and all that he has. That is w ...[text shortened]... f you love anything more than God, you fall short because all that you have and are is from God.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeThis is just human spin. It's actually not like that at all.
From the outside looking in, you seem to be portraying a God who is needy, petty and jealous.
It's like a father seeing his daughter's love for a puppy and being jealous of that love. He then tells the daughter to sacrifice the puppy to him, but because he actually wants to kill the puppy but just as a reminder to the daughter that she should love him more than the puppy.
And you worship this dude?
Originally posted by Great King RatWould it make a difference if the turning point here wasn't "money", but "the LOVE of money"? Because that is what "the root of all evil" is.
What I said is that god awarded Abe "the root of all evil" for being obedient. You consider money "the root of all evil", yet that is what your god awarded Abe for being obedient to the point of wanting to murder his son (and still ended up sacrificing a harmless animal, for go(o)d measure. Abe wasn't going home without shedding some blood). Seems your god doesn't quite agree with you on money being the root of all evil.
And no, God didn't give Abraham anything for participating in his "Isaac" experiment. He had already given him everything by giving him a son. God's covenant with Abraham was already in place.
Originally posted by SuzianneEither phrase is a meaningless bumper-sticker to me. I just pointed out Whodey's hypocrisy.
Would it make a difference if the turning point here wasn't "money", but "the LOVE of money"? Because that is what "the root of all evil" is.
And no, God didn't give Abraham anything for participating in his "Isaac" experiment. He had already given him everything by giving him a son. God's covenant with Abraham was already in place.
"that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast hearkened to My voice."
This directly follows Abe's killing of a ram, after he's been told not murder his son because "for now I know that thou art a God-fearing man, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from Me."
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Originally posted by Great King RatLook at human history, you are human......right? Or are you really a rat? FYI, it probably would not be hard to convince me that you are actual vermin.
You are projecting.
I don't need a "leader". It's you who needs a perfect leader who can't be criticized, not me. If anyone to whom I look up were to do anything as disgusting as your "infallible" god, I'd turn my back on that person and never look back. Not you. You accept god's disgusting behaviour and even worship him.
That's you, Whodey. Not ...[text shortened]... our god attaches to obaying his commands without question. And that is what YOU support, not me.
Human history shows human beings demanding a leader. So you are trying to convince me that humans really don't need one? Really? You then bad mouth Trump? Really? Are you suggesting we need another Obama to "fix" everything? I thought you said we don't really need leaders. LOL.
God created us to be free, but historically man is the one who enslaves and abuses us. God only unleashed his anger on people who engaged in unimaginable evil, such as child sacrifice.
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Originally posted by whodey"FYI, it probably would not be hard to convince me that you are actual vermin."
Look at human history, you are human......right? Or are you really a rat? FYI, it probably would not be hard to convince me that you are actual vermin.
Human history shows human beings demanding a leader. So you are trying to convince me that humans really don't need one? Really? You then bad mouth Trump? Really? Are you suggesting we need another ...[text shortened]... od only unleashed his anger on people who engaged in unimaginable evil, such as child sacrifice.
Seeing how easy it is for you to believe in fairy tales and remembering how often you post "news" brought to you by Breibart which turns out to be obviously fake, this does not surprise me.
"You then bad mouth Trump? Really? Are you suggesting we need another Obama to "fix" everything? I thought you said we don't really need leaders. LOL."
Where did I say we need another Obama to "fix" everything? You are making stuff up on the go. Why the "LOL"? It's astonishing, it's like in one paragraph you have literally convinced yourself that I have somehow said we need another "Obama" and then "LOL" at that, when I said nothing remotely like that. The twists and turns your mind makes are truly remarkable.
By the way, you know I don't come from or live in Fatland, right?
"God created us to be free, but historically man is the one who enslaves and abuses us. God only unleashed his anger on people who engaged in unimaginable evil, such as child sacrifice."
Meaningless word diarrhea which ignores the fact that your beloved god made Abraham do a dispicable thing to make it absolutely clear that Abe was to follow god's commands AT ALL TIMES.
Your god, your leader, you guidance, your tyrant.