everyone is born an arminian

I would say this is a true statement.

I would say this is not a true statement.

I would say it is a statement of indeterminate veracity.

Originally posted by rwingett
I would say it is a statement of indeterminate veracity.

It's clearly and obviously false. Beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Arminian |ärˈminēən|
adjective: relating to the doctrines of Jacobus Arminius (Latinized name of Jakob Hermandszoon, 1560–1609), a Dutch Protestant theologian, who rejected the Calvinist doctrine of predestination. His teachings had a considerable influence on Methodism.

noun: an adherent of these doctrines.

Born an Arminian? No one is born believing any doctrine. Not even Arminius was born that way; he became that way later on.

Originally posted by RBHILL
I would say this is a true statement.

Why don't you tell us why you would say that?

Originally posted by RBHILL
I would say this is a true statement.

The statement makes a point which I think is valid, if not literally true.

Originally posted by sonship
The statement makes a point which I think is valid, if not literally true.

Which point would that be? That a peculiarly Protestant doctrine regarding predestination is the natural or default position for newborns?

Originally posted by moonbus
Arminian |ärˈminēən|
adjective: relating to the doctrines of Jacobus Arminius (Latinized name of Jakob Hermandszoon, 1560–1609), a Dutch Protestant theologian, who rejected the Calvinist doctrine of predestination. His teachings had a considerable influence on Methodism.

noun: an adherent of these doctrines.

[b]Born an Arminian? No one is born[ ...[text shortened]... believing any doctrine. Not even Arminius was born that way; he [i]became that way later on.[/b]

Or he just can't spell....

Originally posted by sonship
The statement makes a point which I think is valid, if not literally true.

This the sort of doublespeak that you are used to in your religion I suppose.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Or he just can't spell....

Are you suggesting he meant "Armenian" ?

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... then we would all be descendants of Noah. But where Noah's boat landed is not where he came from; Noah was not an Armenian.

Genetic evidence indicates a path out of Africa as being older than any other.

Originally posted by moonbus
... then we would all be descendants of Noah. But where Noah's boat landed is not where he came from; Noah was not an Armenian.

Genetic evidence indicates a path out of Africa as being older than any other.

You are going to have to decide between Noah and science. You can't have both.

Originally posted by moonbus
Which point would that be? That a peculiarly Protestant doctrine regarding predestination is the natural or default position for newborns?

No. Guess again.