Originally posted by scottishinnzI have similar responses to those comments, scott.
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateSo if God clearly wants us to believe the earth is billions of years old, why do you wish to differ?
God is all powerful and, as such, could easily have created fossils and oil fields. He could have simply made the Earth any age he wanted us to perceive it to be. Earth could be 2 days old and you'd never know the difference. We simply will never know one way or the other.
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Originally posted by scottishinnzWell, to be perfectly honest, I believe, as I have stated earlier, that the 6 days of creation are not literal days. As Dr. Schroeder stated the earlier the day, the longer the era of creation. The universe is 15 billion years old as started on day one and time halves each day for 6 days as the universe expands. What you are referring to is day 4 of creation which is millions of years long. The verse reads,
Okay, magical light aside, the order of the colonisation of land is wrong. The earliest things to not live in water were insects. Insects can be found on the land 30 million years before any have been found which could fly. The bible states that things were flying about before the colonisation of land.
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creatures that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
A note of interest is that God said to let the waters "bring forth" abundantly moving creatures as well as fowl that fly's above the earth. Does this imply an evolutionary process? Also, the "moving creatures" come before the fowls of the air. Could we assume that the "moving creatures" do not include insects? Since the moving creatures are shown to have come first and assuming that day 4 is millions of years old, then insects could have predated the fowl of the air by 30 million years.
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Originally posted by telerionI see what you are saying. Scripture is often interpreted in a myraid of different ways. This only shows that imperfect man is attempting to grasp a perfect message. Am I going to grasp all truths within its constructs? No, I am not. However, the message of scripture can nonetheless enlighten me as to the general message for which it was intended. I will even go as far as saying that grasping truths depends upon my seeking those truths and God revealing those truths to me. God operates via free will and he wants me to want him. I am sure that you have heard the wise saying seek and ye shall find. For example, I could tell you the mysteries of the universe, but if you are not seeking the answer, much of what I tell you will probably not make sense to you. This is because you have not been studying the science behind it in order to familiarize yourself with it in terms of theory/terminology and such or you will have no interest in grasping what I am telling you and you will therefore not desire to comprehend it. So you see, the perfect message may not be totally grasped by an imperfect person such myself, however, to diminish or change the perfect message would inhibit those of us who wish to seek the truth from an oppurtunity of being able to comprehend it.
When this happens you more or less develope your own theology based on choosing a rejecting certain aspects of scripture. This theology would then inherently be flawed due to the fact that an imperfect being such as yourself created it.
Again this is exactly what every xian does. Of course, they don't think they are the ones doing it (all the other xians do though), but it's still the same.
Originally posted by whodeyFirst you's have to mathematically prove this, secondly you still haven't explained the colonisation of land, which hasn't happened yet.
Well, to be perfectly honest, I believe, as I have stated earlier, that the 6 days of creation are not literal days. As Dr. Schroeder stated the earlier the day, the longer the era of creation. The universe is 15 billion years old as started on day one and time halves each day for 6 days as the universe expands. What you are referring to is day 4 of creati ...[text shortened]... of years old, then insects could have predated the fowl of the air by 30 million years.