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    There was a segment on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" on faith in sports, primarily the NFL.

    While I've long found the idea of praying to play well as a curious practice, it seems like some are taking it to new levels. In particular, Jon Kitna who plays quarterback for the Detroit Lions. It sounds like Kitna prays throughout the game. Asking God to "guide [his] arm" to make a throw and the like. In a game earlier this season Kitna suffered a concussion in the first half. He sat out most of the second half and then came back to rally the Lions. A teammate of his sheepishly told a story of how Kitna told him that "God was playing through [his] body".

    I was wondering how many believe God gets involved in such things and to what degree.
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    06 Dec '07 22:08
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    There was a segment on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" on faith in sports, primarily the NFL.

    While I've long found the idea of praying to play well as a curious practice, it seems like some are taking it to new levels. In particular, Jon Kitna who plays quarterback for the Detroit Lions. It sounds like Kitna prays throughout the game. Asking God to "guide ...[text shortened]...

    I was wondering how many believe God gets involved in such things and to what degree.
    Have you ever seen the movie, Chariots of Fire? It's relevant to your inquiry... and a good movie to boot.
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    06 Dec '07 22:30
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Have you ever seen the movie, Chariots of Fire? It's relevant to your inquiry... and a good movie to boot.
    I saw it a long time ago. Can't say as I remember that much about it. In what way is it relevant?
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    06 Dec '07 22:43
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    I saw it a long time ago. Can't say as I remember that much about it. In what way is it relevant?
    It is based on the true story of two British athletes preparing for the Olympics. One of the chaps was a Christian and struggled to justify his love of running with his faith. In trying to explain himself to his family he says, "I believe that God made me for a purpose... (the mission), but He also made me fast, and when I run, I feel His pleasure." While at the Olympics his event happens to take place on a Sunday, so he refuses to run because God made Sunday as a day of rest. While at church he quotes Isaiah 40:31: "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and be not weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."
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    One of my favorite bible quotes, and one of the few that I can recite verbatim, goes like this: "Whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord and not unto men, knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance; for ye serve the Lord Christ."

    Whatsoever ye do... God promises to be with us always, and He calls us friends. Being successful in football is important to Kitna and those who depend on him. And God wants whatever is important to us to be a matter of faith. Because nothing we do is outside his sovereignty.

    Go Kitna! (Plus I have his top WR, Mike Furrey, on my fantasy team this week.)
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    06 Dec '07 23:09
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    It is based on the true story of two British athletes preparing for the Olympics. One of the chaps was a Christian and struggled to justify his love of running with his faith. In trying to explain himself to his family he says, "I believe that God made me for a purpose... (the mission), but He also made me fast, and when I run, I feel His pleasure." W ...[text shortened]... with wings as eagles; they shall run, and be not weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."
    Seems to be a bit of a mixed message.

    Not running on a Sunday vs. "and when I run, I feel His pleasure."
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    06 Dec '07 23:23
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    There was a segment on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" on faith in sports, primarily the NFL.

    While I've long found the idea of praying to play well as a curious practice, it seems like some are taking it to new levels. In particular, Jon Kitna who plays quarterback for the Detroit Lions. It sounds like Kitna prays throughout the game. Asking God to "guide ...[text shortened]...

    I was wondering how many believe God gets involved in such things and to what degree.
    The Bible says that "in him we live and move and have our being" so maybe it's Ok that we throw footballs "in him" as well?

    (Maybe it's a victory for God's truth in the "arena"? Maybe God doesn't mind getting competitive? - Sorry couldn't resist LOL)
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    06 Dec '07 23:26
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    The Bible says that "in him we live and move and have our being" so maybe it's Ok that we throw footballs "in him" as well?

    (Maybe it's a victory for God's truth in the "arena"? Maybe God doesn't mind getting competitive? - Sorry couldn't resist LOL)
    Oh, for crying out loud, can you religious guys ever say something interesting without referring to the bible?
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    Go Kitna! (Plus I have his top WR, Mike Furrey, on my fantasy team this week.) epiphinehas



    You might want to sit Furrey. Evidently there's extra motivation for the Cowboys defense to shut them down. Kitna popped off last year after the Lions beat the Cowboys. I'm guessing it wasn't God "talking through him".
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    06 Dec '07 23:34
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    [b]Go Kitna! (Plus I have his top WR, Mike Furrey, on my fantasy team this week.) epiphinehas



    You might want to sit Furrey. Evidently there's extra motivation for the Cowboys defense to shut them down. Kitna popped off last year after the Lions beat the Cowboys. I'm guessing it wasn't God "talking through him".[/b]
    What's Furrey ? I'm from England where we still call soccer football because you can't pick the ball up and you actually use your feet a lot. Hence Foot - ball

    BTW - Why is NFL called football , it should be called throw run catch ball eh?
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    06 Dec '07 23:37
    Originally posted by amannion
    Oh, for crying out loud, can you religious guys ever say something interesting without referring to the bible?
    So the idea that we live and move and have our being in God IS interesting?
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    Originally posted by knightmeister
    So the idea that we live and move and have our being in God IS interesting?
    What?

    Oh, I get your question. Well, I must admit to being endlessly fascinated by religion and religious thought - that's why I keep posting here, instead of bashing my head with a brick. (Which might produce much the same effect sometimes.)
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    06 Dec '07 23:531 edit
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    In particular, Jon Kitna who plays quarterback for the Detroit Lions. It sounds like Kitna prays throughout the game. Asking God to "guide [his] arm" to make a throw and the like. In a game earlier this season Kitna suffered a concussion in the first half. He sat out most of the second half and then came back to rally the Lions. A teammate of his sheepishly told a story of how Kitna told him that "God was playing through [his] body"...
    During the second half, God was probably thinking, "What a wuss! They didn't even hit him that hard."
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    06 Dec '07 23:56
    Originally posted by amannion
    What?

    Oh, I get your question. Well, I must admit to being endlessly fascinated by religion and religious thought - that's why I keep posting here, instead of bashing my head with a brick. (Which might produce much the same effect sometimes.)
    I chuckled when I read that!! Very good LOL!
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    Originally posted by knightmeister
    I chuckled when I read that!! Very good LOL!
    Always happy to oblige.
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