27 Oct 08
Originally posted by bill718I agree. And to further that end we should establish the complete separation of church and state.
It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
😏
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by bill718What do you mean by 'judging'?
It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
😏
I wouldn't want you put in jail, or declared legally insane, but I see nothing wrong with saying you are wrong and nothing wrong with telling you that you are wrong to:
1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
2. Try to push a religious agenda in government.
3. Try to impose your religion on your children.
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhat do I mean by judging? Look it up in any dictionary! I don't really have to explain that one do I??
What do you mean by 'judging'?
I wouldn't want you put in jail, or declared legally insane, but I see nothing wrong with saying you are wrong and nothing wrong with telling you that you are wrong to:
1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
2. Try to push a religious agenda in government.
3. Try to impose your religion on your children.
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by bill718Of course I'd like you to explain it, why else would I be asking?
What do I mean by judging? Look it up in any dictionary! I don't really have to explain that one do I??
From Merriam-Webster
transitive verb
1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
2: to sit in judgment on : try
3: to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation
4: govern , rule —used of a Hebrew tribal leader
5: to form an estimate or evaluation of ; especially : to form a negative opinion about
6: to hold as an opinion : guess , think
intransitive verb
1: to form an opinion
2: to decide as a judge
I don't think you meant 2,3 or 4 did you?
So what is wrong with me forming an opinion of you as in 1, 5 or 6?
Are you claiming that you don't? Or simply that you desire that we should all stop doing so?
I rather think it is impossible.
Or were you specifically targeting 5. especially when a negative opinion is unwarranted?
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadPardon me for saying this, but I think you are over-analyzing everything here. All I was trying to get across was it would be better if those of faith did not form an opinion of those of no faith, and those of no faith did the same. Does this make things clearer?
Of course I'd like you to explain it, why else would I be asking?
From Merriam-Webster
[i]transitive verb
1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
2: to sit in judgment on : try
3: to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation
4: govern , rule —used of a Hebrew tribal leader
5: to form a ...[text shortened]... .
Or were you specifically targeting 5. especially when a negative opinion is unwarranted?
😏
27 Oct 08
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Originally posted by twhitehead=================================
What do you mean by 'judging'?
I wouldn't want you put in jail, or declared legally insane, but I see nothing wrong with saying you are wrong and nothing wrong with telling you that you are wrong to:
1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
2. Try to push a religious agenda in government.
3. Try to impose your religion on your children.
1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
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You mean like brainwashing all children in the country to believe that its an established fact that random accidents brought dirt to eventually become a thinking reasoning human mind ?
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2. Try to push a religious agenda in government.
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You mean like declare Atheism as the State Religion as in the Soviet country of Albanie ?
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3. Try to impose your religion on your children.
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Like innundate kids with Evolutionary folklore such as Star Wars and Star Trek and get the Government to declare research into possible intelligent causes of life as not science ?
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by bill718not realy... its the duty of faith not to keep it to themselves, if they reject it then there judgement is not on your hands. if you do not preach then it is on your hands and you will be judged accordingly.
Pardon me for saying this, but I think you are over-analyzing everything here. All I was trying to get across was it would be better if those of faith did not form an opinion of those of no faith, and those of no faith did the same. Does this make things clearer?
😏
to them with no faith preaching that thier is no god, they help make we of a faith as we need to know our responce is not from malice or ignorance. ie would we still have earth as the centre of the universe if we did not accept the knowledge in the same way galilao was treated.
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by jaywillYou mean kinda like it already is today??
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1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
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You mean like brainwashing all children in the country to believe that its an established fact that random accidents brought dirt to eventually become a thinking reasoning human mind ?
================================ ...[text shortened]... et the Government to declare research into possible intelligent causes of life as not science ?
27 Oct 08
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It is NOT the duty of faith not to keep it to itself. That implies that it is incumbent on me to go out preaching to convert everyone to my belief system---which it isn't. Faith can be a very personal thing, and not all Christians are into proselatyzing (proseletyzing?) (prosly...oh well, you know what i mean...🙂 )
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydyou need spill check. 🙂
It is NOT the duty of faith not to keep it to itself. That implies that it is incumbent on me to go out preaching to convert everyone to my belief system---which it isn't. Faith can be a very personal thing, and not all Christians are into proselatyzing (proseletyzing?) (prosly...oh well, you know what i mean...🙂 )
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by bill718Say someone believes in a god who likes human sacrifices.
It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
😏
Still think we shouldn't judge them?
27 Oct 08
Originally posted by bill718Furthermore, let's say you have faith in God. For coherence, aren't you required to believe that atheists are wrong when they claim God doesn't exist? That, my friend, is a judgment. There is no escaping it.
It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
😏