1. Standard memberbill718
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    27 Oct '08 11:26
    It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
    Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
    Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
    😏
  2. Donationrwingett
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    27 Oct '08 11:31
    Originally posted by bill718
    It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
    Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
    Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
    😏
    I agree. And to further that end we should establish the complete separation of church and state.
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    27 Oct '08 12:12
    Originally posted by bill718
    It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
    Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
    Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
    😏
    What do you mean by 'judging'?

    I wouldn't want you put in jail, or declared legally insane, but I see nothing wrong with saying you are wrong and nothing wrong with telling you that you are wrong to:
    1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
    2. Try to push a religious agenda in government.
    3. Try to impose your religion on your children.
  4. Standard memberbill718
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    27 Oct '08 12:34
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What do you mean by 'judging'?

    I wouldn't want you put in jail, or declared legally insane, but I see nothing wrong with saying you are wrong and nothing wrong with telling you that you are wrong to:
    1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
    2. Try to push a religious agenda in government.
    3. Try to impose your religion on your children.
    What do I mean by judging? Look it up in any dictionary! I don't really have to explain that one do I??
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    27 Oct '08 13:24
    Originally posted by bill718
    What do I mean by judging? Look it up in any dictionary! I don't really have to explain that one do I??
    Of course I'd like you to explain it, why else would I be asking?

    From Merriam-Webster
    transitive verb
    1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
    2: to sit in judgment on : try
    3: to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation
    4: govern , rule —used of a Hebrew tribal leader
    5: to form an estimate or evaluation of ; especially : to form a negative opinion about
    6: to hold as an opinion : guess , think

    intransitive verb
    1: to form an opinion
    2: to decide as a judge


    I don't think you meant 2,3 or 4 did you?
    So what is wrong with me forming an opinion of you as in 1, 5 or 6?
    Are you claiming that you don't? Or simply that you desire that we should all stop doing so?
    I rather think it is impossible.

    Or were you specifically targeting 5. especially when a negative opinion is unwarranted?
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    27 Oct '08 14:06
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Of course I'd like you to explain it, why else would I be asking?

    From Merriam-Webster
    [i]transitive verb
    1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
    2: to sit in judgment on : try
    3: to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation
    4: govern , rule —used of a Hebrew tribal leader
    5: to form a ...[text shortened]... .

    Or were you specifically targeting 5. especially when a negative opinion is unwarranted?
    Pardon me for saying this, but I think you are over-analyzing everything here. All I was trying to get across was it would be better if those of faith did not form an opinion of those of no faith, and those of no faith did the same. Does this make things clearer?
    😏
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    27 Oct '08 15:151 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What do you mean by 'judging'?

    I wouldn't want you put in jail, or declared legally insane, but I see nothing wrong with saying you are wrong and nothing wrong with telling you that you are wrong to:
    1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
    2. Try to push a religious agenda in government.
    3. Try to impose your religion on your children.
    =================================
    1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
    ==================================


    You mean like brainwashing all children in the country to believe that its an established fact that random accidents brought dirt to eventually become a thinking reasoning human mind ?

    ======================================
    2. Try to push a religious agenda in government.
    =======================================


    You mean like declare Atheism as the State Religion as in the Soviet country of Albanie ?


    =====================================
    3. Try to impose your religion on your children.
    =======================================



    Like innundate kids with Evolutionary folklore such as Star Wars and Star Trek and get the Government to declare research into possible intelligent causes of life as not science ?
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    27 Oct '08 15:35
    Originally posted by bill718
    Pardon me for saying this, but I think you are over-analyzing everything here. All I was trying to get across was it would be better if those of faith did not form an opinion of those of no faith, and those of no faith did the same. Does this make things clearer?
    😏
    not realy... its the duty of faith not to keep it to themselves, if they reject it then there judgement is not on your hands. if you do not preach then it is on your hands and you will be judged accordingly.
    to them with no faith preaching that thier is no god, they help make we of a faith as we need to know our responce is not from malice or ignorance. ie would we still have earth as the centre of the universe if we did not accept the knowledge in the same way galilao was treated.
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    27 Oct '08 15:53
    Originally posted by jaywill
    [b]=================================
    1. Try to push a religious agenda in schools.
    ==================================


    You mean like brainwashing all children in the country to believe that its an established fact that random accidents brought dirt to eventually become a thinking reasoning human mind ?

    ================================ ...[text shortened]... et the Government to declare research into possible intelligent causes of life as not science ?
    You mean kinda like it already is today??
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    27 Oct '08 16:04
    Originally posted by KingDavid403
    You mean kinda like it already is today??
    Shsssh. Twhitehead is about to declare the pristine innocence of Atheism.

    Watch closely as he plays "See no Evil, Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil " - sheer innocence of Atheism.
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    27 Oct '08 16:232 edits
    It is NOT the duty of faith not to keep it to itself. That implies that it is incumbent on me to go out preaching to convert everyone to my belief system---which it isn't. Faith can be a very personal thing, and not all Christians are into proselatyzing (proseletyzing?) (prosly...oh well, you know what i mean...🙂 )
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    27 Oct '08 16:28
    Originally posted by PinkFloyd
    It is NOT the duty of faith not to keep it to itself. That implies that it is incumbent on me to go out preaching to convert everyone to my belief system---which it isn't. Faith can be a very personal thing, and not all Christians are into proselatyzing (proseletyzing?) (prosly...oh well, you know what i mean...🙂 )
    you need spill check. 🙂
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    27 Oct '08 18:10
    Originally posted by bill718
    It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
    Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
    Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
    😏
    Say someone believes in a god who likes human sacrifices.

    Still think we shouldn't judge them?
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    27 Oct '08 18:12
    Originally posted by bill718
    It is said faith in God is a gift. I agree, some have it some don't. I don't have all the answers here, but this would help:
    Those who have faith in God should stop judging those who don't.
    Those who don't have faith in God should stop judging those who do.
    😏
    Furthermore, let's say you have faith in God. For coherence, aren't you required to believe that atheists are wrong when they claim God doesn't exist? That, my friend, is a judgment. There is no escaping it.
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    28 Oct '08 23:30
    I think the Bible allows us to judge as much as we like.

    It is ony that there is a concept of a "last judgment".

    Only God's final judgement is the last one.
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