1. DonationAcolyte
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    16 Apr '05 14:30
    It seems that due to the prevalence of two religious groups on this forum, a lot of arguments are falling into silly black-and-white debates in which both sides may well be wrong. Here are some possible false dichotomies for discussion (note that this doesn't mean that both extremes must be wrong, but simply that they could both be wrong at once).

    - Everyone either has unshakeable faith in the Christian God, or denies the existence of any divinity.

    - Either life has a single, exogenous ('higher'😉 purpose, or it is completely without sense and order.

    - Any choice we make consists of a binary choice between good and evil, so essentially any action is either 'the good thing to do' or 'the evil thing to do'.

    - Any statement that comes out of a reasonable person is either a fact, or a deliberate lie.

    - Any theory about important matters is either completely true and enlightening, or it is completely without merit.
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    16 Apr '05 14:34

    Hear, hear.
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    Thes phrase is "Here, Here" Ivanhoe, unless, of course, by "hear, hear" you want you mean to call attention to a good argument that you want folks to listen to and, subsequently, here.
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    16 Apr '05 15:20
    Originally posted by aardvarkhome
    Personally I think the spirituality forum should be merged with 'debates' so that the pathetic snivelling of the christians can be exposed to a wider audience.

    That's not a bad idea. You could suggest it in Site Ideas for better exposure.
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    16 Apr '05 16:03
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    That's not a bad idea. You could suggest it in Site Ideas for better exposure.
    🙄 HIlarious.
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    16 Apr '05 16:111 edit
    Originally posted by mauriciobabilonia
    Thes phrase is "Here, Here" Ivanhoe, unless, of course, by "hear, hear" you want you mean to call attention to a good argument that you want folks to listen to and, subsequently, here.

    Haven't we met before ? ..... You sound so ... familiar ....... 😉
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    16 Apr '05 16:311 edit
    Originally posted by Acolyte
    [b]It seems that due to the prevalence of two religious groups on this forum, a lot of arguments are falling into silly black-and-white debates in which both sides may well be wrong. Here are some possible false dichotomies for discussion (no ...[text shortened]... omes out of a reasonable person is either a fact, or a deliberate lie.
    - Everyone either has unshakeable faith in the Christian God, or denies the existence of any divinity.

    - Either life has a single, exogenous ('higher'😉 purpose, or it is completely without sense and order.

    - Any choice we make consists of a binary choice between good and evil, so essentially any action is either 'the good thing to do' or 'the evil thing to do'.

    - Any statement that comes out of a reasonable person is either a fact, or a deliberate lie.

    This is the first one I'd disagree with (as far as your observations on RHP forum participants). I'd say that any statement is either right or wrong. One can be sincerely wrong or innocently wrong, or reasonably correct or luckily correct. Not every mistruth is a deliberate lie. But, in my opinion and experience, it is only sensible to conclude that there is absolute truth, and that I must be deliberate in seeking it out.

    - Any theory about important matters is either completely true and enlightening, or it is completely without merit.

    I also disagree with this statement. My own working understanding of the creationist worldview, for example, has been modified and adjusted over the years as I learn of more and more evidence.

    But the greater point here is that an argument's 'merit' is the important issue.
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    16 Apr '05 17:09
    Originally posted by aardvarkhome
    I stumbled into the forums area and found the spirituality pages. I was gobsmacked. Why is there a spirituality forum, is it a place set up for fundementalist christians to confirm each others' beliefs? That how it appeared to me and I was delighted to find a place to antagonise the smug hand-wringing sanctimonious god botherers who hang out here.
    ...[text shortened]... he christians can be exposed to a wider audience.

    Greetings from the north side of Cambridge
    We were with the Debates, but the unbelievers couldnot take the heat, of the subject. But it is amazing how many of the ones that complained have followed us here.
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    16 Apr '05 17:301 edit
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    We were with the Debates, but the unbelievers couldnot take the heat, of the subject. But it is amazing how many of the ones that complained have followed us here.
    Blindfaith: " ... But it is amazing how many of the ones that complained have followed us here."

    That tells us something about their sincere motives and honest intentions. 😛
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    16 Apr '05 17:32
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Blindfaith: " ... But it is amazing how many of the ones that complained have followed us here."

    That tells us something about their sincere motives and honest intentions. 😛
    Then why did they complain and pressure RHP to separate us?
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    16 Apr '05 18:09
    Originally posted by blindfaith101
    Then why did they complain and pressure RHP to separate us?

    It is a political fight. If some of the God-haters saw a chance to drive the Christians from this site alltogether they would not let it pass.

    Notice the new "irritation" that is building up. New debators are appearing on the scene with exactly the same objections and motives, that made the admins decide to create the Spirituality forum. The only thing they have to do is skip the Spirituality forum or the threads in question in order to avoid the irritation. But they don't. There are reasons for that and the reasons are political.
    Let nobody think these God-haters are interested in the truth. They are interested in winning the games they play.
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    16 Apr '05 18:11
    Originally posted by ivanhoe

    It is a political fight. If some of the God-haters saw a chance to drive the Christians from this site alltogether they would not let it pass.

    Notice the new "irritation" that is building up. New debators are appearing on the scene with exactly the same objections and motives, that made the admins decide to create the Spirituality forum. The only thi ...[text shortened]... God-haters are interested in the truth. They are interested in winning the games they play.
    BS.
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    16 Apr '05 18:53
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    BS.
    BS.

    Beautifully Stated?
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    16 Apr '05 19:02
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    [b] BS.

    Beautifully Stated? [/b]
    Nothing with the term "God-haters" can be beautifully stated.

    ... --- ...
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    16 Apr '05 20:001 edit
    Originally posted by ivanhoe

    It is a political fight. If some of the God-haters saw a chance to drive the Christians from this site alltogether they would not let it pass.

    Notice the new "irritation" that is building up. New debators are appearing on the scene ...[text shortened]... the truth. They are interested in winning the games they play.
    People asked for the creation of a Religion forum because fundamentalist Christians were spamming the Debates forum with their religion. As anyone can see, there is enough material in this forum to keep it thriving, possibly more so than Debates is thriving. When they were together, it was really hard to find a non religious debate and when you did religion got added to it and it turned into a religious debate.

    Please note that I stayed on the sidelines. I was always indifferent to whether there was a Spirituality forum or not.
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