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Originally posted by vistesd🙂
And we are content to leave it that way...
Okay, now I'm laughing out loud.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhiteheadThis reminds me of the
[b]Argument from Disagreement
"Well I don't agree, so well just have to leave it here." (implying that we are on equal ground, regardless of how much has been presented by either side).[/b]
Originally posted by whodeyI hate to burst your bubbles Whodey, but none of these are fallacious arguments.
Arguement against faith
Those who have faith are foolish, however, I do not place my faith in anything, hence, I'm not foolish.
Argument of superior logic
"My logic is more logical than yours, hence, I am right and you are wrong."
Argument of provability
"Everything I believe is provable. Anything that cannot be proved I do not believe."
Originally posted by jaywillI disagree. The only reason you could have for inventing a 'mystical realm' or 'supernatural realm' or 'transcendental realm' is to effectively say 'it follows different laws, that cannot be questioned'.
Yes, one may evade to answer by appealing to the transcendent mystical. But one also may simply mention the mystical realm because it in fact does exist whether to his debating advantage or not.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatNot so.
I hate to burst your bubbles Whodey, but none of these are fallacious arguments.
Ok, the faith one might be a bit false - it's certainly possible to lack faith and still be foolish.
Superior logic is always a winner though, as is provability.
Originally posted by twhitehead
I disagree. The only reason you could have for inventing a 'mystical realm' or 'supernatural realm' or 'transcendental realm' is to effectively say 'it follows different laws, that cannot be questioned'.
OK, maybe you don't realise you are doing it, but evasion is what is going on. You do not want to be pinned down to reality.
I disagree. The only reason you could have for inventing a 'mystical realm' or 'supernatural realm' or 'transcendental realm' is to effectively say 'it follows different laws, that cannot be questioned'.
OK, maybe you don't realise you are doing it, but evasion is what is going on. You do not want to be pinned down to reality.
Originally posted by jaywillI concede that there may be more to this life that I am personally aware of.
There is a divine and mystical dimension to human life. Man did not "invent" it.
Originally posted by whodeyAh I see, then you have simply phrased your fallacies poorly. If something is provable, it's provable. You presumably are referring to 'facts' which people believe are provable but in fact are not, which is a quite different kettle of fish from
Not so.
After all, what have you actually "proven" that you believe? For example, have you personally proven that the planet Pluto exists? No, you take other peoples word for it that they have proven it exists based upon others that you trust. You may even have seen a photo or two of the infamous Pluto, but is it really Pluto? You lull yourself into a we all know they are not always reliabe and are very limited in detecting what is around us.
Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Ah I see, then you have simply phrased your fallacies poorly. If something is provable, it's provable. You presumably are referring to 'facts' which people believe are provable but in fact are not, which is a quite different kettle of fish from
[b]"Everything I believe is provable. Anything that cannot be proved I do not believe."
I assume yo ...[text shortened]... superior.
edit - Incidentally, get with the programme! Pluto's not a planet any more.[/b]
edit - Incidentally, get with the programme! Pluto's not a planet any more.
Originally posted by twhitehead
I concede that there may be more to this life that I am personally aware of.
But the moment you label it with words like 'divine', 'dimension', 'mystical', 'supernatural', 'transcendental ', there is only one purpose for such labelling - and that is to separate it from the 'real world' and essentially say 'it cannot be questioned because it follows diffe rest of reality into a different 'dimension'? Evasion. No other reason.
I concede that there may be more to this life that I am personally aware of. But the moment you label it with words like 'divine', 'dimension', 'mystical', 'supernatural', 'transcendental ', there is only one purpose for such labelling - and that is to separate it from the 'real world' and essentially say 'it cannot be questioned because it follows different rules'.
Now if you had said: "there is more to life than you realise, and I am calling it 'zeta theory' and we are going to discuss it and study it etc'"
then I might say you are not evading. But the moment you start, from the very definition, by trying to build barriers to anyone else knowing about your invention, then I say 'evasion'. Already you have stated that you can only know about this 'dimension' through experience. Why do you say this? How do you know this? Why do you separated it from the rest of reality into a different 'dimension'? Evasion. No other reason.