1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    KJV Proverbs 2: 1-5 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    KJV Proverbs 2: 1-5 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.
    Why do you persist in using a C17th translation of the bible?
    thee?
    thou?
    thine?

    Why do you prefer these?
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    Finding God as a living Person is a matter allowing God to REMOVE the veil from off of your heart.

    There is a kind of veil covering the inner eyes of sinners. The veil is like a cloth of dark color obscuring the light of God to shine in into your heart. This covering is actually the human heart turned AWAY from God.

    To TURN the heart TOWARD Jesus Christ will cause God to remover the covering veil. The veil is the turned away heart. And to turn the heart from being turned AWAY from Jesus Christ TO the Lord Jesus Christ - the intervening veil is taken away.

    " But their thoughts were hardened, for until the present day the same VEIL remains at the reading of the old covenant it not being unveiled to them that the veil is being done away with in Christ. "


    In other words you may hear the words of the Bible a lot. But it has on some people a HARDENING effect. It tends to make them harder and harder - more and more stubborn and resistant to the Divine.

    "In Christ" this covering veil can be done away because Christ is willing and eager to remove the covering.

    "Indeed unto this day, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart;

    But whenever their heart turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away."
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    This is more than a doctrine. This is something a man or woman must experience. Though the passage is specifically about the Jews under the Law of Moses who cannot see Christ is God incarnate, the principle may apply to other cases.

    The classic hymn about turning the heart to Jesus is very apt and true:

    "Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
    Look full into His wonderful face.
    And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
    In the light of His glory and grace."


    Perhaps the best way to turn your heart to Jesus is to simply tell the Lord Jesus that you love Him.

    "Lord Jesus, I love You. I love You Lord."


    The heart TURNS to the Lord Jesus Christ and the veil of darkness is taken away.
    Actually the intervening veil is simply the inner eyes of the heart turned AWAY from Christ to see many other things.

    And if you feel that you do not love the Lord Jesus and cannot really honestly say that you love Him? Then I recommend that you confess the HE loves YOU.

    "Lord Jesus, the Bible tells me the You love me. Lord Jesus, I believe that You do love me."


    The Holy Spirit is real. And if you begin to confess that Jesus loves you, pretty soon you in turn will also begin to love Him.

    The best way to turn your heart to the Lord Jesus is to confess either that you love Him or stand upon the promise that He loves you and died for you.
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    Here is the marvelous hymn about turning your eyes upon Jesus.
    You may get the tune and read the lyrics.

    https://www.hymnal.net/en/hymn/h/645

    These hymns were written out of experience.


    1
    O soul, are you weary and troubled?
    No light in the darkness you see?
    There’s light for a look at the Savior,
    And life more abundant and free.

    Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
    Look full in His wonderful face,
    And the things of earth will grow strangely dim,
    In the light of His glory and grace.

    2
    Through death into life everlasting
    He passed, and we follow Him there;
    O’er us sin no more hath dominion
    For more than conqu’rors we are!
    3
    His Word shall not fail you, He promised;
    Believe Him and all will be well;
    Then go to a world that is dying,
    His perfect salvation to tell!
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    Oh friends. I am weeping for you.

    Please sing along with the hymn right here.

    https://www.hymnal.net/en/hymn/h/645

    Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
    Look full in His wonderful face,
    And the things of earth will grow strangely dim,
    In the light of His glory and grace.


    Forgive me. I am weeping for some of you.
    May God have mercy to take away the veil.
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    02 Jun '17 11:06
    “The gods we make in our own image are tribal gods. They tell you how very, very little you should tolerate outsiders, who are less favoured of the Lord. Amazingly, there are no recorded cases of the holy man going up the mountain and finding that it’s the others who are right. It always turns out that God wants unbelievers to suffer, and what could be more noble than to help him a little? When religion rules, toleration disappears, for you cannot cherish the verdict of death to the infidels, yet also tolerate those who disagree – for those are the very same infidels…”

    Simon Blackburn, member of the Humanist Philosophers’ Group, Independent on Sunday, 2004
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    02 Jun '17 11:48
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    “The gods we make in our own image are tribal gods. They tell you how very, very little you should tolerate outsiders, who are less favoured of the Lord. Amazingly, there are no recorded cases of the holy man going up the mountain and finding that it’s the others who are right. It always turns out that God wants unbelievers to suffer, and what could ...[text shortened]... s…”

    Simon Blackburn, member of the Humanist Philosophers’ Group, Independent on Sunday, 2004
    I agree. The gods we make in our own image, yes. Not the God that made us in His image.
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    To touch God you must use your spirit.
    To use your spirit you first must have your spirit healed from its comatose and deadened state.

    To substantiate God you must use that "organ" of your being which is dedicated by creation for that purpose. But it is damaged and in a state of a coma. To use it it first must be born anew, born from above, born again. It is even good to say that the deadened spirit needs to be resurrected.

    To have your innermost spiritual "organ" brought out of its comatose state you need the living and available Jesus Christ today. Jesus Christ alone can cause the human spirit to come to life enabling fellowship with God - FINDING God.

    But what can a man do if his spiritual "organ" is dead ? How can he even get started to find God, enjoy God and experience God ? There is an answer to that too. There is a solution to that too.

    Confession of your sins,
    Receiving forgiveness.
    Cleansing away of the real guilt of real sins by the redemption of Christ.
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    02 Jun '17 15:07
    Originally posted by sonship
    To touch God you must use your spirit.
    To use your spirit you first must have your spirit healed from its comatose and deadened state.

    To substantiate God you must use that "organ" of your being which is dedicated by creation for that purpose. But it is damaged and in a state of a coma. To use it it first must be born anew, born from above, born again ...[text shortened]... ceiving forgiveness.
    Cleansing away of the real guilt of real sins by the redemption of Christ.
    Just to clarify, is this your own reasoning?
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    02 Jun '17 17:31
    Originally posted by sonship
    Finding God as a living Person is a matter allowing God to REMOVE the veil from off of your heart.

    There is a kind of veil covering the inner eyes of sinners. The veil is like a cloth of dark color obscuring the light of God to shine in into your heart. This covering is actually the human heart turned AWAY from God.

    To TURN the heart TOWARD Jes ...[text shortened]... rt;

    But whenever their heart turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away."
    [/quote][/b]
    You have some scripture to support this claim about a "veil over the heart" please?
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    Originally posted by sonship
    To touch God you must use your spirit.
    To use your spirit you first must have your spirit healed from its comatose and deadened state.

    To substantiate God you must use that "organ" of your being which is dedicated by creation for that purpose. But it is damaged and in a state of a coma. To use it it first must be born anew, born from above, born again ...[text shortened]... ceiving forgiveness.
    Cleansing away of the real guilt of real sins by the redemption of Christ.
    You are using "organ" in quotation marks; who are you quoting? It's not in the bible.
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    02 Jun '17 22:44
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    KJV Proverbs 2: 1-5 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.
    if thou wilt answer my question I would be most grateful to thee.
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    02 Jun '17 23:38
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Why do you persist in using a C17th translation of the bible?
    thee?
    thou?
    thine?

    Why do you prefer these?
    Do you have a problem understanding it?

    "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it. "
  15. Standard memberKellyJay
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    02 Jun '17 23:41
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    “The gods we make in our own image are tribal gods. They tell you how very, very little you should tolerate outsiders, who are less favoured of the Lord. Amazingly, there are no recorded cases of the holy man going up the mountain and finding that it’s the others who are right. It always turns out that God wants unbelievers to suffer, and what could ...[text shortened]... s…”

    Simon Blackburn, member of the Humanist Philosophers’ Group, Independent on Sunday, 2004
    When you see the things we do to one another, any god we create in our hearts would be very nasty.
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