Originally posted by kirksey957
That sounds rather Zen to me. I hope Vistesd will weigh in on this.
Reality, as it is, is before our conceptualizations of it. I do not think we can get behind our own perceptions (how our brain interprets the sense data it receives), but we can experience the “Real” before our ideas, concepts, words. (And, then again, perhaps I have not yet gotten deep enough.)
That is, for me, the bedrock—whether “Zen” or not.
Frankly, my own abilities to “translate” that into conceptual terms is so limited, that on the one hand I am appreciative of the attempt to do so in various religious/philosophical traditions, and on the other hand cannot accept any of them dogmatically.
I wander in the desert.
But it is that bedrock experience that is, for me, the measure of whatever truth there may be in various speculations.