1. Standard memberchaney3
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    01 Nov '18 16:21
    Hope they don't have problems, because he will dump them.

    Not a very good counselor in my opinion.
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    01 Nov '18 16:25
    @chaney3 said
    Hope they don't have problems, because he will dump them.

    Not a very good counselor in my opinion.
    Take it back Ghost, and we'll be fine.
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    01 Nov '18 16:27
    @chaney3 said
    Hope they don't have problems, because he will dump them.

    Not a very good counselor in my opinion.
    *Bonus reply: (A one-off).

    1. You are not a client.
    2. I'm not a counselor.
    3. Been here before with you. Got the t-shirt.
    4. Not interested.
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    01 Nov '18 16:29
    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    *Bonus reply: (A one-off).

    1. You are not a client.
    2. I'm not a counselor.
    3. Been here before with you. Got the t-shirt.
    4. Not interested.
    You cannot just "shun me" like the Amish do.
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    01 Nov '18 16:31
    @chaney3 said
    You cannot just "shun me" like the Amish do.
    I like you. 😀
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    01 Nov '18 16:36
    @chaney3 said
    I like you. 😀
    Can we fix this please?
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    01 Nov '18 16:38
    @chaney3 said
    Can we fix this please?
    You believe in redemption?

    How?
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    01 Nov '18 16:41
    @chaney3 said
    Can we fix this please?
    The fix is surprisingly simple Chaney:

    1. Create a thread apologizing for the abuse you inflicted on people yesterday
    2. Stop posting and drinking at the same time
    3. Treat your fellow posters here with a basic level of respect
    4. Deploy some self-control.
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    01 Nov '18 16:53
    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    The fix is surprisingly simple Chaney:

    1. Create a thread apologizing for the abuse you inflicted on people yesterday
    2. Stop posting and drinking at the same time
    3. Treat your fellow posters here with a basic level of respect
    4. Deploy some self-control.
    When people talk of a "higher power" in AA, they show vast ignorance!!

    It's God!! That was the foundation for AA....God.

    Sorry if I lost control, but there is a reason why.

    AA is the only time I've seen the reliance on God to answer a specific prayer....to get sober. And it does NOT work.

    I am highly passionate about this.
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    01 Nov '18 17:011 edit
    @chaney3 said
    When people talk of a "higher power" in AA, they show vast ignorance!!

    It's God!! That was the foundation for AA....God.

    Sorry if I lost control, but there is a reason why.

    AA is the only time I've seen the reliance on God to answer a specific prayer....to get sober. And it does NOT work.

    I am highly passionate about this.
    You said that you'd been sober for a year. How'd you do it?
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    @thinkofone said
    You said that you'd been sober for a year. How'd you do it?
    That is not the point.

    Why would God help with a man's sobriety, yet let a little boy get raped and murdered?

    AA is misguided, at best, to expect God's help.
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    @chaney3 said
    That is not the point.

    Why would God help with a man's sobriety, yet let a little boy get raped and murdered?

    AA is misguided, at best, to expect God's help.
    Why would God help with a man's sobriety, yet let a little boy get raped and murdered?

    AA is misguided, at best, to expect God's help.


    Earlier I'd agreed that the "God of Gimme" worshiped by many Christians doesn't make any sense. So, yes it was misguided.

    That said, AA was founded more than 80 years ago. Times have changed. The 12-step program has since been adapted to work without that belief: Both by members of other organizations and by members of AA itself.

    That's the way things work. Someone has an idea. Over time it gets improved.

    What's the big deal?
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    01 Nov '18 18:10
    @thinkofone said
    Why would God help with a man's sobriety, yet let a little boy get raped and murdered?

    AA is misguided, at best, to expect God's help.


    Earlier I'd agreed that the "God of Gimme" worshiped by many Christians doesn't make any sense. So, yes it was misguided.

    That said, AA was founded more than 80 years ago. Times have changed. The 12-step program has since be ...[text shortened]... That's the way things work. Someone has an idea. Over time it gets improved.

    What's the big deal?
    The "higher power" concept is fraudulent.

    My point is that AA people seriously believe that God will help them, through the 12 steps.

    Why will God help them? And let human atrocities prevail?

    I disagree.
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    @chaney3 said
    The "higher power" concept is fraudulent.

    My point is that AA people seriously believe that God will help them, through the 12 steps.

    Why will God help them? And let human atrocities prevail?

    I disagree.
    Over the past year the sober chaney3 has shown that he's more than capable of being insightful enough to have understood my previous post and how it relates to what he'd been posting instead of mindlessly repeating himself. Bring that chaney3 back.
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    @thinkofone said
    Why would God help with a man's sobriety, yet let a little boy get raped and murdered?

    AA is misguided, at best, to expect God's help.


    Earlier I'd agreed that the "God of Gimme" worshiped by many Christians doesn't make any sense. So, yes it was misguided.

    That said, AA was founded more than 80 years ago. Times have changed. The 12-step program has since be ...[text shortened]... That's the way things work. Someone has an idea. Over time it gets improved.

    What's the big deal?
    You are wrong.

    "Higher power" is fraudulent and was never meant to be in original context.

    Stop trying to say AA has evolved, because it was not the intention of its founders to "replace" God.

    Today's AA meetings are a joke.
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