@chaney3 said
You are wrong.

"Higher power" is fraudulent and was never meant to be in original context.

Stop trying to say AA has evolved, because it was not the intention of its founders to "replace" God.

Today's AA meetings are a joke.

Forget the AA.

Go to www.alcohol.org (American addiction center). You can even call them on 888 685 5770.

The first step towards recovery is one you need to take yourself.

@chaney3 said
When people talk of a "higher power" in AA, they show vast ignorance!!

It's God!! That was the foundation for AA....God.

Sorry if I lost control, but there is a reason why.

AA is the only time I've seen the reliance on God to answer a specific prayer....to get sober. And it does NOT work.

I am highly passionate about this.

"God grant me the serenity,
to accept the things I cannot change.
To change the things I can.
And the wisdom to know the difference."

"Keep coming back! It works if you work it: So work it, your worth it!"
🙂

@chaney3 said
You are wrong.

"Higher power" is fraudulent and was never meant to be in original context.

Stop trying to say AA has evolved, because it was not the intention of its founders to "replace" God.

Today's AA meetings are a joke.

ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS
Steps 1 and 2:

1. - We admitted that we were powerless over alcohol and that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. - We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

@chaney3 said
That is not the point.

Why would God help with a man's sobriety, yet let a little boy get raped and murdered?

AA is misguided, at best, to expect God's help.

If you expect, or are led to expect, the wrong kind of help, then it must indeed seem futile to ask for God's help.

It is not God's job not to let bad things happen to people; it's yours to recognize base instincts for what they are and not succumb to them.

Someone once said, "don't pray for God to lighten your burden; pray for the strength to bear it." Now apply that wisdom to a drinking problem: don't expect God to make you sober; don't expect God to prevent a pedophile from raping and murdering a child either; ask God to help you find the strength to stay sober.

@chaney3 said
Hope they don't have problems, because he will dump them.

Not a very good counselor in my opinion.

agreed.

He's just so misinformed about the human condition... he only focuses on particular symptoms of his patient while thinking his own mind to be free of mental illness.

Just a bad approach

@ghost-of-a-duke said
*Bonus reply: (A one-off).

1. You are not a client.
2. I'm not a counselor.
3. Been here before with you. Got the t-shirt.
4. Not interested.

1. you treat him like a client at times
2. you act like a counselor sometimes
3. obviously you did not put this matter to rest last time
4. dont respond if you are not interested

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The fix is surprisingly simple Chaney:

1. Create a thread apologizing for the abuse you inflicted on people yesterday
2. Stop posting and drinking at the same time
3. Treat your fellow posters here with a basic level of respect
4. Deploy some self-control.

fix?

What ? to take your authority?
Wouldn't you like chaney to think for himself?

@chaney3 said
When people talk of a "higher power" in AA, they show vast ignorance!!

It's God!! That was the foundation for AA....God.

Sorry if I lost control, but there is a reason why.

AA is the only time I've seen the reliance on God to answer a specific prayer....to get sober. And it does NOT work.

I am highly passionate about this.

no it does not work.

@chaney3 said
The "higher power" concept is fraudulent.

My point is that AA people seriously believe that God will help them, through the 12 steps.

Why will God help them? And let human atrocities prevail?

I disagree.

I agree

@thinkofone said
Over the past year the sober chaney3 has shown that he's more than capable of being insightful enough to have understood my previous post and how it relates to what he'd been posting instead of mindlessly repeating himself. Bring that chaney3 back.

I'm trying 😀

@wolfe63 said
ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS
Steps 1 and 2:

1. - We admitted that we were powerless over alcohol and that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. - We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

neither of those points are even remotely applicable to people such as I

@karoly-aczel said
I'm trying 😀

Yes, you are.

@karoly-aczel said
agreed.

He's just so misinformed about the human condition... he only focuses on particular symptoms of his patient while thinking his own mind to be free of mental illness.

Just a bad approach

2 points:

1. We 'all' have a mental health and are susceptible to problems in this area. (Myself included).
2. How do 'you' know what symptoms I focus on with my clients? Telepathy?!

Appears you are the one who is mis (ill) informed, hey?

@karoly-aczel said
no it does not work.

Such a blanket pronouncement is incorrect.

AA works and has worked for millions of alcoholics since 1935.

Now, if you were to say that "it doesn't work for everyone"... you would be correct Sir.

The AA program is just one tool in a mental health professional's complex kit of tools. Just like shoes, one size does not fit all.

@wolfe63 said
Such a blanket pronouncement is incorrect.

AA works and has worked for millions of alcoholics since 1935.

Now, if you were to say that "it doesn't work for everyone"... you would be correct Sir.

The AA program is just one tool in a mental health professional's complex kit of tools. Just like shoes, one size does not fit all.

Sir, you're hired.