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    26 May '18 14:41
    Well the butts and rebutts just about cancel out here.
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    26 May '18 14:45
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Small correction sir. One is not 'led' to atheism. One 'begins' at atheism. One is (mis)lead to theism by the constructs of other men.
    You think one begins at atheism? Based on what? I think the truth is the opposite, though I think one begins with a knowledge and awareness of God’s existence and not any particular religion.
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    26 May '18 15:09
    A person's character is shown through their actions, 'not' where they sit on a Sunday.

    Navonne ones
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    26 May '18 16:24
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    A person's character is shown through their actions, 'not' where they sit on a Sunday.

    Navonne ones
    Couldn’t agree more. Why you think I (or any believer) would dispute that is beyond me.
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    27 May '18 12:52
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Small correction sir. One is not 'led' to atheism. One 'begins' at atheism. One is (mis)lead to theism by the constructs of other men.
    That perspective is contingent on there being no God.

    The opposite is true as well. One might characterize that conundrum as a paradox, but for it to be a paradox both views would have to be either true or false, and since it is either true that God exist, or it is true that God doesn't exist, it's not a question of which view is false but which is true.

    We're at an impasse, for all intents and purposes, because neither of us has the ultimate authority to determine for the other which view is the true one.

    I love this debate because our fate is ultimately tied to the truth of that question.

    The next step is a discussion of evidence.

    ...the constructs of other men."

    It is true by and large that much of what man holds to be true is a construct of man. But certainly not everything.
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    27 May '18 12:55
    Originally posted by @js357
    Well the butts and rebutts just about cancel out here.
    Sure seems that way.
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    27 May '18 12:592 edits
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    A person's character is shown through their actions, 'not' where they sit on a Sunday.

    Navonne ones
    The "action" of where one sits on Sunday speaks volumes about their values, which is a testimony of their character.

    Right now I'm sitting at a campfire with my children and grandchildren. A family tradition on Memorial Day weekend. Twenty two of us. Three generations, and counting. 🙂
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    27 May '18 13:11
    Originally posted by @secondson

    Right now I'm sitting at a campfire with my children and grandchildren. A family tradition on Memorial Day weekend. Twenty two of us. Three generations, and counting. 🙂[/b]
    Blimey sir, keep your laptop a safe distance from those flames. 😲
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    27 May '18 14:08
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Does such a God not appeal to you, who 'prefers an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every deed is foul, foul, foul?

    Explain your thinking.
    But God’s Word says there is no honest and righteous person.
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    27 May '18 14:22
    Originally posted by @rbhill
    But God’s Word says there is no honest and righteous person.
    This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time.

    Genesis 6:9
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    27 May '18 15:12
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    A person's character is shown through their actions, 'not' where they sit on a Sunday.
    Amen.
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    27 May '18 15:23
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time.

    Genesis 6:9
    Blameless "among the people of his time" but not God, not perfect, and still a sinner if he committed just one sin. The word used for "blameless" is also translated as wholehearted, sincere, upright, intact, having integrity...
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