@sonship saidNever for thoughtcrimes, no. And if it is carried out in secret, and therefore is not a deterrent, and if it's just some kind of stupendous, depraved, sadistic violence, then I can't see how it could ever be seen as morally coherent.
But is vengeance ever a right response to something?
@sonship saidI think if victims view the punishment [within the framework of morally sound justice] meted out to the person who committed a crime against them as being a form of vengeance for them, then I don't see it as illigitimate.
Is there ever a time when vengeance is a legitimate response?
If so when?
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Is there anyone in history who you think manifested an unusually and perhaps highest sense of sound moral realization?
Is there anyone whose moral teaching was so high that its impact on the world has been nearly impossible to ignore?
Who would be that person if any?
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@sonship saidNo, I don't think so. There will have been countless people who lived who were highly moral but no one who could possibly singled out as "the highest"? In various folklore and mythology perhaps, but no real person. Not that I am aware of.
Is there anyone in history who you think manifested an unusually and perhaps highest sense of sound moral realization?
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@sonship saidI like the Sermon on the Mount teachings attributed to the central figure in your religion but all the stuff about eternal torture strikes me as being morally incoherent philosophical dreck.
Is there anyone whose moral teaching was so high that its impact on the world has been nearly impossible to ignore?
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No, I don't think so. There will have been countless people who lived who were highly moral but no one who could possibly singled out as "the highest"? In various folklore and mythology perhaps, but no real person. Not that I am aware of.
How do we know that you would not have a vested interest in NOT acknowledging such a person if they had existed?
Perhaps it is to your advantage that you maintain that no one has come up to your standard.
@sonship saidYou are free to speculate about what that "vested interest" of mine might supposedly be. But I don't see how it will ever help you sell your torturer God ideology to non-believers.
How do we know that you would not have a vested interest in NOT acknowledging such a person if they had existed?
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@fmf saidMorality has a supernatural basis.
God is the mystery surrounding our origin.
Mystery surrounds our origin: this mystery exists.
Therefore God exists.
How am I doing?
My religion correctly explains how this works.
The supernatural being worshipped by my religion is the true one.
How am I doing?
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@fmf saidWe are surely created, so there must be a creator being.
God is the mystery surrounding our origin.
Mystery surrounds our origin: this mystery exists.
Therefore God exists.
How am I doing?
Our existence surely cannot be finite.
So our creator must have created us to be immortal, for sure.