1. Standard memberPalynka
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    31 Mar '11 09:37
    Correlation not causality.
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    31 Mar '11 09:42
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    It is all that bread and wine.
  3. Standard memberPalynka
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    31 Mar '11 09:55
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    Maybe it's just a side effect of that drug.
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    31 Mar '11 10:26
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    Or maybe fat people are unhappy and unhappy people turn to God.

    More likely, there are many more complex reasons for the correlation. For example, I am sure both attributes correlate with wealth, race, urbanization, political affiliation, education, and culture.
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    31 Mar '11 10:31
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Correlation not causality.
    Its funny how, in the articles it says:
    lead investigator from Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, Matthew Feinstein said: "We don't know why frequent religious participation is associated with development of obesity.

    Yet the report says in the title:
    Religion makes people obese, claims study


    Clearly the reporter didn't read his own article, didn't understand it, or is a liar.
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    31 Mar '11 10:45
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    I think the folks from Northwestern need something more imporntant to do with there resources and time.😞
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    31 Mar '11 11:09
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    Its all them potluck suppers.
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    31 Mar '11 11:34
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Or maybe fat people are unhappy and unhappy people turn to God.

    More likely, there are many more complex reasons for the correlation. For example, I am sure both attributes correlate with wealth, race, urbanization, political affiliation, education, and culture.
    and after they turn to god they cease being unhappy so they should not be obese anymore?



    like palinka said, it's correlation not causality.
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    31 Mar '11 11:53
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    and after they turn to god they cease being unhappy so they should not be obese anymore?
    No, why would that happen?

    like palinka said, it's correlation not causality.
    And I essentially agreed with him. I was simply pointing out that if one is going to claim causality, once can do it both ways. ie why claim God makes you fat not Fat brings you to God? A correlation, even a causal one, does not in itself tell you which one causes the other.
    Generally any correlation may be:
    1. statistically insignificant.
    2. a causal relationship one way or both ways.
    3. a causal relationship with third parties.
    4. a combination of all of the above.
  10. Standard memberPalynka
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    31 Mar '11 13:23
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Clearly the reporter didn't read his own article, didn't understand it, or is a liar.
    In other words, the daily bread and butter in scientific reporting...
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    31 Mar '11 13:46
    Originally posted by Palynka
    In other words, the daily bread and butter in scientific reporting...
    "Scientific reporting" is an oxymoron. You should rather say "reporting on science".
    I also should not have said he was a liar, but rather that he was "stretching the truth in the interests of an eye catching headline".
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    31 Mar '11 13:52
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    I also didn't find a link to the study. I found out that Matthew Feinstein is a medical student. Given my experience with such medical studies and their use of statistics, I would be very surprised if their empirical methodologies are sound. Maybe that's also why he seem to stress his result much.
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    Fasting?
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    Although this is along the sentiment that 'all generalizations are bad,' it has been my nearly life-long experience that most church-going folks are losers, socially-speaking.
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    31 Mar '11 17:39
    Perhaps both traits are symptomatic of another quality?


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