God unresponsive to Earth life:

Your god of the bible points to problems with your dogma:

The way humans have been treating the Earth has been horrendous in the last 300 years, causing mass extinctions unheard of since dinosaur times.

100% caused by man, ruining habitats in mankind's rush to 'develop' the planet.

Your god designated humans as the keeper of the planet.

Considering the amount of rampant species destruction by humans, there are two possible answers:

1) There is no such god, which explains the situation nicely.

2) There is a bible god and it just doesn't give a dam about humans or species on Earth, which also explains the situation quite nicely.

That is not even considering the multi million deaths caused by religious and secular wars over the last couple thousand years.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Your god of the bible points to problems with your dogma:

The way humans have been treating the Earth has been horrendous in the last 300 years, causing mass extinctions unheard of since dinosaur times.

100% caused by man, ruining habitats in mankind's rush to 'develop' the planet.

Your god designated humans as the keeper of the planet.

Consider ...[text shortened]... lti million deaths caused by religious and secular wars over the last couple thousand years.

So you have nicely narrowed down the truth about God to only two choices, huh?

Originally posted by sonhouse
Your god of the bible points to problems with your dogma:

The way humans have been treating the Earth has been horrendous in the last 300 years, causing mass extinctions unheard of since dinosaur times.

100% caused by man, ruining habitats in mankind's rush to 'develop' the planet.

Your god designated humans as the keeper of the planet.

Consider ...[text shortened]... lti million deaths caused by religious and secular wars over the last couple thousand years.

Well, if we consider the "expulsion from Eden" to be the mythological point where mankind became alienated from nature (and his true nature), then there is, perhaps, another possible answer.

If you look at Genesis 3:23 - "Therefore the Lord God sent him (Adam) forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken."

We could take this to mean that agriculture itself was the point at which man, as the primordial hunter-gatherer, the "noble savage", was transformed into the domesticated, civilized, alienated being that we see before us in the 21st century. All of civilization, therefore, has been a descent into darkness. Where we perceived the arc of history to be forever bended upwards, it was actually going in the opposite direction. And...

...That's where we find ourselves at the present. A place where everything is going to hell-in-a-handbasket...

But...

...the chance for redemption is still just at hand...

...But...

...It won't be found in the ossified churches of the previous few millenniums...

...It will be found in...

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...(please insert another 25¢ to continue).

Originally posted by RJHinds
So you have nicely narrowed down the truth about God to only two choices, huh?

Nice deflection but you haven't answered the charge. Why would your oh so loving god allow mankind to totally screw up the planet like it is now when we are supposed to be the guardians of Earth? Take a look at the whirling thousand mile wide swirl of garbage in the Pacific Ocean. Take a look at the future fate of polar bears whose habitat is being quickly whittled away by our steaming up the planet with our fossil fuel burned by the billions of tons each year. Oh yeah, I forgot, you hold your hands up to your ears and go NYA NYA NYA, I can't hear you, whenever climate change comes up in a conversation, where humans couldn't POSSIBLY be doing damage to the climate.

So the only possible conclusion is your god, assuming for one brief instant it exists,
doesn't give a rats asss about the planet, the animals on it or the humans quickly turning the former jewel of at least our solar system, maybe for a hundred light years around, into a steaming jungle of death.

Take a look at the droughts in the midwest, better take a good look, there won't BE a midwest in a few years, it will make the dust bowl years look like a garden.

Expanding humanity by the multiple billions taking over territory formerly used by the animal world, but of course, we are SO superior, you and your god don't give a crap if 90% of the animals die off, HUMANS are the spiritual ones, HUMANS are going to heaven.

Choke on your victory humanity. There is no god coming down to fix all the boo boo's. Get used to it.

Originally posted by rwingett
Well, if we consider the "expulsion from Eden" to be the mythological point where mankind became alienated from nature (and his true nature), then there is, perhaps, another possible answer.

If you look at Genesis 3:23 - "Therefore the Lord God sent him (Adam) forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken."

We could take t ...[text shortened]... ms...

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..found in our language , our very linguistics that we use to communicate unlike any other mammal.

"mankind became alienated from nature" (and his true nature) - and so began the Lie that was past on through the generations.
It has taken mankind much longer to figure out his dillema than was expected for not even one human soul would realize it's full potential with the current status quo just not moving along quick enough to catch up with it's own mistake.

So when we say "aliens", please remember this fine, fine reference to human nature from rwingett here and consider what the Extra-Terrestrials have to say about our nature :
" So many generations have passed without so much as dipping their feet into the 'marrow of life'. Yes, they had heard about meditation and inner turmoil and other psychological meanderings unique to the human mammals. But the "demons" held sway.
The humans , thinking they were owners of this planet set about dominating it, not realizing the lessons that they were destroying for their own children as they destroyed and enslaved those who were different from them, the "savages" of the new conquered lands.
It is form this egotistic view, holding a seeming strangelhold on nature
that we invented our languages. Languages designed to aid commerce. Designed to help business, even in it's early mutations.
So it is no wonder that when beings not of this Earth are witnessed by our very own people that we call these other beings "aliens". Aliens to our world that we own. But the aboriginies , or at least quite a few tribes from different continents knew all along that it was not our land, our planet. We are stewards on this planet while we physically walk the Earth, but rather than consume without thought of the future, we should bear in mind that the aboriginals had it right. You are only a guest on this Earth for a limited time. The life you live leaves a legacy to be remembered with great pride or a painful memory made of ill-informed rumors and fear mongering penny merchants.
For an Extra-Terrestrial is home on whatever planet he/she finds itself on . (S)He knows that every foot print is important in a way, that this planet reflects the greater beauties (and mysteries) of the cosmos on a wavelength that is suitable for our sensory organs to detect.
The ancients who were in touch with nature (and all Extra-terrestrials are in touch with nature) knew all along and yet we keep dividing. We keep labelling and mastering certain Earthly skills, not for the love of the life that has been "breathed" into us, but for the benefit of ourselves first and foremostly. How many Westerners are even aware of the 'law of thirds' and what this means practically.

For if only one human were to pass through this time in the Earth's history (1978-2200) and come out an enlightened buddha on the other side then these experiments would not have been approved. But it is precisely because not even one human soul was to make it that the E.T.'s were granted permission to interfere with the evolution on Earth.

The steps that have been taken are for mankinds benefit. The help that has been offered is free but should not be mistaken as a blueprint for living on Earth. We still have to work it out. We still have to re-allign our hearts as in turn our heads and bodies will follow the 'creative void' which has always protected and nurtured this planet.
Those that are clearly wrong in our eyes, or those that will not follow a pacifistic course of reconcilliation with each other and the planet must be allowed to live their lives with as little restriction as possible...despite their ultimately misguided ways. "

(the 25 cent version)

Originally posted by sonhouse
Your god of the bible points to problems with your dogma:

The way humans have been treating the Earth has been horrendous in the last 300 years, causing mass extinctions unheard of since dinosaur times.

100% caused by man, ruining habitats in mankind's rush to 'develop' the planet.

Your god designated humans as the keeper of the planet.

Consider ...[text shortened]... lti million deaths caused by religious and secular wars over the last couple thousand years.

fundies will claim it is their right to do as such because god made man the ruler of the earth. everything on it exists solely for man's benefit and it is at man's whim.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Nice deflection but you haven't answered the charge. Why would your oh so loving god allow mankind to totally screw up the planet like it is now when we are supposed to be the guardians of Earth? Take a look at the whirling thousand mile wide swirl of garbage in the Pacific Ocean. Take a look at the future fate of polar bears whose habitat is being quickly ...[text shortened]... r victory humanity. There is no god coming down to fix all the boo boo's. Get used to it.

Then you fix it, numbnuts! 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
Then you fix it, numbnuts! 😏

"Then you fix it , numbnuts". So you admit your god is not going to come down to fix the boo boo's and further it doesn't give a rats asss about the fate of millions of species on Earth. Great god you have there. Of course all it means really is you and a few billion other people have been royally scammed by the biggest ponzi and pyramid scam of all time.

Tell me why a loving god would allow mankind who, according to your bible, are cast as the caretakers of Earth and presumably all life on it. We are doing such a terrible job entire species which apparently, according to your bible, your god went to the trouble of inventing only to have mankind destroy them, thousands of species going the way of the Dodo, which itself was 100% destroyed as a species by mankind.

Exactly how does that jive with your so-called loving god?

Your god invented the Dodo just so it could be slaughtered out of existence by mankind? It goes "Boys will be Boys"?

Originally posted by sonhouse
Nice deflection but you haven't answered the charge. Why would your oh so loving god allow mankind to totally screw up the planet like it is now when we are supposed to be the guardians of Earth? Take a look at the whirling thousand mile wide swirl of garbage in the Pacific Ocean. Take a look at the future fate of polar bears whose habitat is being quickly ...[text shortened]... r victory humanity. There is no god coming down to fix all the boo boo's. Get used to it.

You know, the really sick part about you "show-me-the-evidence" types is that you're going to be the first in line to worship the AntiChrist, simply because he will show you the evidence of his claim to be God by solving some of the more heinous problems of the world (pollution, global warming, drought, famine). And you'll buy it all hook, line and sinker. Have fun standing in line for your "Mark of the Beast®".

Originally posted by sonhouse
"Then you fix it , numbnuts". So you admit your god is not going to come down to fix the boo boo's and further it doesn't give a rats asss about the fate of millions of species on Earth. Great god you have there. Of course all it means really is you and a few billion other people have been royally scammed by the biggest ponzi and pyramid scam of all time. ...[text shortened]... just so it could be slaughtered out of existence by mankind? It goes "Boys will be Boys"?

No, I do not admit God does not care. Christ has promised to return when all Israel says, "Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord." God is allowing all of His people time to realize they need Him and want Him. God is going to purge this Earth with fire, anyway, because this Earth is beyond fixing. Then He will make a new Earth, free of disease, death, and anything evil.

Originally posted by Suzianne
You know, the really sick part about you "show-me-the-evidence" types is that you're going to be the first in line to worship the AntiChrist, simply because he will show you the evidence of his claim to be God by solving some of the more heinous problems of the world (pollution, global warming, drought, famine). And you'll buy it all hook, line and sinker. Have fun standing in line for your "Mark of the Beast®".

Right. Some kind of AntiKrist is coming. Ok, but I don't think I'll hold my breath.

BTW, the same could be said of you, assuming these supernatural beings exist, one of them could come down, claim to be JC in person, perform a few miracles, cure the blind, preach salvation when the real motive is to get people to its mothership because it needs carbon based fuel for its bioreactors.

You would not be able to tell the difference, YOU would fall hook line and sinker, already profoundly programmed to believe in fairy tales.

If someone came down with those professed powers, I would be extremely skeptical, looking for any sign of false motive.

I may not even have the brainpower to suss it out but I for sure wouldn't be falling all over myself for 'salvation' like you would.

All hypothetical anyway since no such being will be coming down any time soon.
The planet will go to hell in a handbasket 100% caused by man and no god, especially your false christion one will ever come down to fix all the boo boo's.
It is up to us to fix the Earth. Our way of life depends on it. WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES. The sooner religious folk figure that one out, the faster the smart people on Earth can roll up their sleeves and actually fix things, however hard that is on mankind. Things cannot go on as they are, surely you see that.

That should be obvious right now, the way the planet is falling apart at the seams.

You notice what is going on in the midwest? That is just one sign of our clubhanded nature at caretaking this planet.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Right. Some kind of AntiKrist is coming. Ok, but I don't think I'll hold my breath.

BTW, the same could be said of you, assuming these supernatural beings exist, one of them could come down, claim to be JC in person, perform a few miracles, cure the blind, preach salvation when the real motive is to get people to its mothership because it needs carbon ba in the midwest? That is just one sign of our clubhanded nature at caretaking this planet.

If God were to fix this planet for you, YOU wouldn't learn anything and you wouldn't give God credit for it anyway. You would just say nature did it as a part of the evolution of the planet. So perhaps it is just natural evolution that makes it look like everything is going to hell in a handbasket. Ever think of that?

Originally posted by Suzianne
You know, the really sick part about you "show-me-the-evidence" types is that you're going to be the first in line to worship the AntiChrist, simply because he will show you the evidence of his claim to be God by solving some of the more heinous problems of the world (pollution, global warming, drought, famine). And you'll buy it all hook, line and sinker. Have fun standing in line for your "Mark of the Beast®".

someone who fixes all those problems will be greatly respected and honored, but the only ones worshiping him as a god would be you religionist types.