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    01 Oct '12 16:09
    Matthew 6:9-13
    Good News Translation (GNT)

    9 This, then, is how you should pray:

    ‘Our Father in heaven:
    May your holy name be honored;
    10 may your Kingdom come;
    may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
    11 Give us today the food we need.[a]
    12 Forgive us the wrongs we have done,
    as we forgive the wrongs that others have done to us.
    13 Do not bring us to hard testing,
    but keep us safe from the Evil One.

    Many pray for God's Kingdom, but what is this Kingdom and what will it do for all who want it? Should we put our faith in it or mans kingdoms?

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/what-is-gods-kingdom/
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    01 Oct '12 16:39
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Matthew 6:9-13
    Good News Translation (GNT)

    9 This, then, is how you should pray:

    ‘Our Father in heaven:
    May your holy name be honored;
    10 may your Kingdom come;
    may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
    11 Give us today the food we need.[a]
    12 Forgive us the wrongs we have done,
    as we forgive the wrongs that others have ...[text shortened]... or mans kingdoms?

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/what-is-gods-kingdom/
    Good, so repent of your Godless ways and accept Jesus.

    Go and sin no more.
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    01 Oct '12 17:56
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Matthew 6:9-13
    Good News Translation (GNT)

    9 This, then, is how you should pray:

    ‘Our Father in heaven:
    May your holy name be honored;
    10 may your Kingdom come;
    may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
    11 Give us today the food we need.[a]
    12 Forgive us the wrongs we have done,
    as we forgive the wrongs that others have ...[text shortened]... or mans kingdoms?

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/what-is-gods-kingdom/
    what does 'as we forgive the wrongs that others have done to us' actually mean? i understand the basic principle, but how is applied in life and how does a christian show forgiveness? must it be an internal forgiveness as well as an external showing of forgiveness?
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    01 Oct '12 20:50
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    what does 'as we forgive the wrongs that others have done to us' actually mean? i understand the basic principle, but how is applied in life and how does a christian show forgiveness? must it be an internal forgiveness as well as an external showing of forgiveness?
    See if this helps a little...

    "As disciples of Christ, we need to learn to forgive others. Why? Unlike Jesus, we are imperfect—as are those who may sin against us. From time to time, we all stumble in word and in deed. (Romans 3:23; James 3:2) By forgiving others when there is a basis for mercy, we clear the way for our own sins to be forgiven by God. (Mark 11:25) How, then, can we demonstrate a readiness to forgive those who may sin against us? In many cases, love helps us to overlook the minor sins and shortcomings of others. (1 Peter 4:8) When those who have wronged us are sincerely repentant, as Peter was, surely we want to imitate Jesus’ willingness to forgive. Rather than holding a grudge, we wisely choose to let go of resentment. (Ephesians 4:32) By doing so, we contribute to the peace of the congregation as well as to our own peace of mind and heart.—1 Peter 3:11." My Follwer book chapter 16.

    Notice a few points here. First we have examples of ones in the Bible that did forgive ones who may have deeply sinned. But as these examples show it is possible and is actually required of us to do that.
    But do we forgive and overlook all sins? Notice again we are too if the one who has sinned against us is repentant and sincere. If they are not and continue with that sinful action, the bible tells us what to do in that case.
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    01 Oct '12 21:29
    Originally posted by galveston75
    See if this helps a little...

    "As disciples of Christ, we need to learn to forgive others. Why? Unlike Jesus, we are imperfect—as are those who may sin against us. From time to time, we all stumble in word and in deed. (Romans 3:23; James 3:2) By forgiving others when there is a basis for mercy, we clear the way for our own sins to be forgiven by God ...[text shortened]... they are not and continue with that sinful action, the bible tells us what to do in that case.
    if a situation arrives where you are unable to forgive does this have repercussions for the individual as a christian?

    out of interest how does the christian rule of forgiveness work with crime and punishment. in an idealistic christian society would criminals be let out of prison early if they were truly sorry for what they had done?
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    01 Oct '12 22:32
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Many pray for God's Kingdom, but what is this Kingdom and what will it do for all who want it? Should we put our faith in it or mans kingdoms?
    Neither. Kingdom = dictatorship.
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    ‘Our Father in heaven:

    Our creator who is here and all around us

    May your holy name be honored;

    Cheers big man this place kicks ass

    may your Kingdom come;

    I wish i had your clarity of thought

    may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

    thanks for the free will on earth because it is heaven

    Give us today the food we need

    Food grows out the ground thats.... wow

    Forgive us the wrongs we have done,

    did i say thanks for the free will, well sorry for being a dick to that one guy

    as we forgive the wrongs that others have done to us.

    he was a bit of an idiot though, but your right i should let it go

    Do not bring us to hard testing,

    can we keep things just rolling along today im not up for crazy

    but keep us safe from the Evil One

    and keep me from those guys who claim Im born in sin
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    02 Oct '12 00:54
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Matthew 6:9-13
    Good News Translation (GNT)

    9 This, then, is how you should pray:

    ‘Our Father in heaven:
    May your holy name be honored;
    10 may your Kingdom come;
    may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
    11 Give us today the food we need.[a]
    12 Forgive us the wrongs we have done,
    as we forgive the wrongs that others have ...[text shortened]... or mans kingdoms?

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/what-is-gods-kingdom/
    What is this, the Lord's prayer for Dummies?

    That doesn't sound like the Lord's Prayer I learned.
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    02 Oct '12 02:38
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    What is this, the Lord's prayer for Dummies?

    That doesn't sound like the Lord's Prayer I learned.
    the kjv isn't the only kid on the block.
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    02 Oct '12 03:00
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    Good, so repent of your Godless ways and accept Jesus.

    Go and sin no more.
    Figures, the one post that ensures salvation gets no reply. 🙂
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    02 Oct '12 03:49
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    Figures, the one post that ensures salvation gets no reply. 🙂
    Your words are so perfectly elaborated, no one can think of anything better to add. So we're left speechless. 🙄
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    02 Oct '12 04:25
    Originally posted by sumydid
    Your words are so perfectly elaborated, no one can think of anything better to add. So we're left speechless. 🙄
    Thanks Brother 🙂
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    02 Oct '12 08:08
    Wiki has a very fine entry on the Lord's Prayer:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Prayer
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    02 Oct '12 15:08
    "Many pray for God's Kingdom, but what is this Kingdom and what will it do for all who want it? Should we put our faith in it or mans kingdoms?"
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    02 Oct '12 16:161 edit
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    the kjv isn't the only kid on the block.
    O rly?

    9 u pray leik dis: Ceiling Cat, who r watchin us, u can has cheezburger.
    10 Wut yu want, yu gets, srsly.
    11 Let us dis day has our dalee cheezburger.
    12 And furgiv us for makin u a cookie, but eateding it, same as we furgiv teh kittehz taht maked us cookiez, but eated tehm.
    13 An leed us not into teh showa, but deliver us from teh wawter. Cuz all our base n teh pwnage n teh +1s r belong 2 U 4eva&evah, srsly kthxbai.
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