1. Standard memberyavash
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    20 Sep '10 13:09
    If everything is God's will is there any freewill?
  2. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    20 Sep '10 13:22
    Originally posted by yavash
    If everything is God's will is there any freewill?
    Who is "God"?

    separate from us?
  3. Standard memberyavash
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    20 Sep '10 13:24
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Who is "God"?

    separate from us?
    are you saying God is within us, His will our will and our will His will?

    if i cheat is that His will?
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    20 Sep '10 16:14
    god says it plain as day that we do have a free will and we are free to beleave what we want to but jesus SAID THAT NO ONE CAN GET TO THE FARTHER but by or through him
  5. Standard memberua41
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    20 Sep '10 16:52
    Originally posted by yavash
    are you saying God is within us, His will our will and our will His will?

    if i cheat is that His will?
    Hard to distinguish between the two. I feel that whatever will (to whom ever you accredit it to) is not separate from yours. Especially in the sense that we are going to compare it to some standard, in this case a god's set of standards or moral credence, it makes it that much hard to differentiate because of their reliance on each other for definition.

    This will is manifest through our very nature. However you want to confine it by putting qualifiers or attributing it towards a deity, I think the inseparable aspects are inherent.
  6. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    20 Sep '10 19:33
    Originally posted by yavash
    are you saying God is within us, His will our will and our will His will?

    if i cheat is that His will?
    Other than ua's answer I would add that god is like a sea of conciousness and that whatever we do,think feel,etc. is at once "in" the individual and part of the greater collective/sea.
    From a more refined point of view cheating is not desirable or even possible..
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