1. Standard memberMaustrauser
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    My understanding is that if good Christians make offerings to God. But apparently, putting money in the plate ain't how it should be done.

    According to the Bible and Darfius et al, tell me that it is God's little instruction book, one should ensure that your offering is in the form of livestock. If it is dead livestock then it should be pre-burnt. If it is live livestock (odd these instructions) then it should be slaughtered on popping into the Church and the blood sprinkled around the altar. Goodness knows what the good ladies of the Church would think about that - fancy having to clean up the blood. But I guess salt and cold water would work well.

    These instructions are clearly written at: Leviticus 1:2-5.

    Have the good RHP Christians followed God's little instruction book? And how do the ladies get the blood out of the carpet?
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    13 Apr '05 15:39
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I'm bumping this. Leviticus has some pretty strange stuff in it. I'd like an explanation. I'd also like an explanation of why RBH, Darfius, Coletti, & the rest of your lot aren't running about stoning homosexuals. This is explicitly called for in the OT: Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them h ...[text shortened]... e committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    So it's OK to lie to woman and not to a man?😉
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    13 Apr '05 18:08
    Originally posted by Maustrauser
    My understanding is that if good Christians make offerings to God. But apparently, putting money in the plate ain't how it should be done.

    According to the Bible and Darfius et al, tell me that it is God's little instruction book, one should ensure that your offering is in the form of livestock. If it is dead livestock then it should be pre-burnt. ...[text shortened]... followed God's little instruction book? And how do the ladies get the blood out of the carpet?
    I know that most of you here at RHP have read most of the bible and know where most passages are and so on and so forth. The book of Hebrews in the new testament is a good book to understand the contrast between the old testament & new testament.Why Christ is superior to the old testament laws concerning offerings & blood. If just from a pure acedemic standpoint to understand why christians do not practice old testament laws. I think the book of Hebrews is a good start. Anyway I know I'm going to get slamed for this one. Maustrauser that is a pretty messy scene you have decribed 🙂
    Anyway meant no harm Peace out ( Manny)
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    sacrafices were done as a way, al symbol even, of yourt forgivness of sins. for God to forgive you, you had to give him something. But Jesus died for our sins - we don't have to do any more sacrafices! Jesus, God, in his mercy, died so that we might live!
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    13 Apr '05 18:581 edit
    Originally posted by Maustrauser
    My understanding is that if good Christians make offerings to God. But apparently, putting money in the plate ain't how it should be done.

    According to the Bible and Darfius et al, tell me that it is God's little instruction book, ...[text shortened]... tion book? And how do the ladies get the blood out of the carpet?
    Most christians will claim that much of the OT only applied to the Israelites of old.

    However, the new testament church was a community of believers that sold everything they had, and laid the money at the apostles' feet. It was a big socialist network where the guys at the top distributed to each as they had need. Funny, I hear a lot about tithing, but this example is rarely quoted.
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    13 Apr '05 19:04
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Most christians will claim that much of the OT only applied to the Israelites of old.

    However, the new testament church was a community of believers that sold everything they had, and laid the money at the apostles' feet. It was a big socialist network where the guys at the top distributed to each as they had need. Funny, I hear a lot about tithing, but this example is rarely quoted.
    yes I agree with you on this. I have not been to church in a few years but so many made such a big deal out of titing. I would tell them that this was not a new testament command or something. If anything it was right out of the old testament. I would hear the pastor say that (we) need to tithe to get God's blessing an all of that stuff and I just never bought into it. Anyway out Manny
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    13 Apr '05 20:53
    Originally posted by menace71
    yes I agree with you on this. I have not been to church in a few years but so many made such a big deal out of titing. I would tell them that this was not a new testament command or something. If anything it was right out of the old testament. I would hear the pastor say that (we) need to tithe to get God's blessing an all of that stuff and I just never bought into it. Anyway out Manny
    Yes, but the part you missed is that the new church required more commitment from its followers, not less! The 'tithe' became a 100% contribution.
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    13 Apr '05 23:36
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Yes, but the part you missed is that the new church required [b]more commitment from its followers, not less! The 'tithe' became a 100% contribution.[/b]
    Yes your right again sorry for the omission on my part. When I was attending church I went to a denomination where tithing was a big deal so I was always at odds with tithing. I would argue why 10% why not your whole life. I admit that where I'm coming from is a place of disolusionment with the church in general. People blindly following without any question to what they are being told. Anyway good subject. Peace out Manny
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    13 Apr '05 23:51
    Upon having read the initial post I was going to give an explanation of how the spiritual relationship between God and man had changed with the NT, and hence with the change in relationship the change in worship. However, I suspect that such academic and earnest explanations would be fruitless given some of the subsequent postings.

    If any one is earnestly and honestly curious about this, there is a plethora of online refernces at your disposal. If you have a sound and comprehensive understanding of the differing relationship God had with man in the OT as opposed to the NT, the purpose behind the practices of worship and why they changed is clear (if not completely obvious).

    If any of the participants here, however, is not actually interested in the honest rational behind these practices of worship, I suggest you bark up another tree. Anyone with much experience speaking on such religious matters will waste little time speaking to the deaf.
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    13 Apr '05 23:59
    Originally posted by menace71
    [Text shortened...] The book of Hebrews in the new testament is a good book to understand the contrast between the old testament & new testament.
    If just from a pure acedemic standpoint to understand why christians do not practice old testament laws. I think the book of Hebrews is a good start.
    Anyway I know I'm going to get slamed for this one. Maustrauser that is a pretty messy scene you have decribed 🙂
    I thought it was the dream where St. Peter (? I haven't got a bible handy so apologies if I've got details wrong) has the dream where he's offered a feast of various taboo foods and refuses but God tells him to tuck in that marks the fundamental shift and I thought that was in Acts. But your general point is correct, you don't deserve slamming for it. We are not criticising you for not keeping to the old testament laws but the fundamentalists for insisting on a randomly chosen subset depending presumably on whom they want to condemn this week.
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    i dont think it sounds right to go sacrifice a chicken, or a lamb, or whatever you are thinking to please god. that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. sounds like a weirdo voodoo ritual or something. LETS SACRIFICE AN ANIMAL LIKE THE ANCIENT TRIBES DID AND SPRINKLE THE BLOOD OVER THE CARPET OF THE CHURCH. no thats not me. no voodoo rituals...
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    14 Apr '05 01:20
    I think the whole subject about blood & making an offering to a deity or deity's is an interesting subject in and of itself. It seems to be a somewhat universal idea common to man at certain times and in certain places. I would ask why? I know it would be to appease some said deity. Where did this idea originate from? who praticed it and why? Manny peace out
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    Originally posted by genius
    sacrafices were done as a way, al symbol even, of yourt forgivness of sins. for God to forgive you, you had to give him something. But Jesus died for our sins - we don't have to do any more sacrafices! Jesus, God, in his mercy, died so that we might live!

    Where in God's Instruction Book say that one can ignore the OT and that these rules laid down by God no longer need to be followed?

    Or is what you saying an interpretation of something someone has said?

    I am truly curious...
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    14 Apr '05 09:492 edits
    Originally posted by Maustrauser

    Where in God's Instruction Book say that one can ignore the OT and that these rules laid down by God no longer need to be followed?

    Or is what you saying an interpretation of something someone has said?

    I am truly curious...
    it's just that one rule i'm talking about, that of sacrafice. that was the whole purpose of Jesus's death, to save us. previously, the only way to be saved was to make a sacrafice, and (i think) this sacrafice would bear your sin. However, that is what Jesus became. Gos sacraficed him so that we could be saved. no longer do we need to make blood sacrafices as Jesus was the ultimate blood sacrafice...

    now - why do jews not make sacrafices, that's an answer that i'd be intrested in hearing.

    but this is all from memory - i'll try and get back to you when i have a bible in front of me, but i'm never really in my room at the moment...
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    14 Apr '05 09:55
    Originally posted by Omnislash
    Upon having read the initial post I was going to give an explanation of how the spiritual relationship between God and man had changed with the NT, and hence with the change in relationship the change in worship. However, I suspect that such academic and earnest explanations would be fruitless given some of the subsequent postings.

    If any one is earnes ...[text shortened]... much experience speaking on such religious matters will waste little time speaking to the deaf.
    gets my rec.
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