Good 'n' Eeeeeeevil!

Originally posted by xxxenophobe
see theres some thing else.. he disobeyed god.. now yer allways yammering about OBEY GOD OR BE DAMNED TO ETERNAL HELLFIRE... and such... why didnt god just be cool.. and just not give them that temptation and let man be happy and come right on in to heaven with there creator... why "is" he such a toying jerk... hes all knowing.. right.. whell he should ...[text shortened]... again should have known that... so by doing so.. he intentionally damned billions.. nice guy...

Why should GOD be cool? Why are you trying to blame GOD for the discission that man made? Why could not man do the job that GOD had given him? Why could not man just obey GOD and be done with it? Why should GOD be second to man?
Yes GOD is all knowing. GOD knows all the beginning and all the end, man does not. GOD has allowed all of Creation to watch and understand, that man or any part of creation cannot exsist without him. GOD is allowing all of creation to understand the answers to questions and statements such as you and others have made.
Yes GOD is all knowing but, Lucifer is not, Satan is not, the angels are not, mankind is not, and the rest of creation is not. GOD is making sure that all that disobey HIM understand completely the cost. Lucifer, the rest of the angels, and mankind have/had the understanding of the Laws of living in/with GOD'S blessings. They had the experiance and understanding of living in perfect peace with GOD.
But what Lucifer, the angels, and mankind did not know or understand what the Law of Disobediance were or meant. They had no understanding that when you disobey GOD, that it sets off another set of Laws that GOD had, that they knew nothing about. When we stepped into the Laws of disobediance, there began understandings that only GOD knew about. WE had no understanding the cost of disobeying GOD.
GOD has allowed all to see and understand, that after the Day of Judgement, everyone will never again disobey THE WORD OF GOD.

Originally posted by Daemon Sin
So excluding man, who were 'those that disobeyed the word of God' that the evil was designed for? And futhering that, why would the big guy create said 'word disobeyers?'

The one known as the devil, satan, and other names. The angels, Powers, Principalities, and others that rebelled against THE WORD OF GOD. All of Creation was created to obey GOD. All of the angels, powers, principalities, mankind, and others were given a choice. That choice was to obey or disobey THE WORD OF GOD. One third of Ceation decided that they did not any longer want to obey THE WORD OF GOD. For that choice there is a price to pay.

Originally posted by no1marauder
If it helps, here's two examples of God's commands to show the difference between good and evil:

Sticking sword into Midianite baby - GOOD

Eating shellfish - EVIL

Ok, is it not true, that GOD had promised to Abraham that his seed would be given a certain amount of land? If that promise is true, were not the people living in that land, that was given to the Israelites, tresspassing? They had clearly heard what had happened in Egypt. They had clearly heard what had happened to the Egyptian army. They had clearly heard that the Israelites were comming to claim the land. Were not the people living on the land that belonged to Israel, tresspassing?
If you go out of town for quite some time. There comes along a family and moves in or on your property. When you eventually return, is not that property still not yours. What do you do? Ask them politely to leave? What if they don't? When you go to the Law, and the Law backs you up.The people still refuse to move, and say they will fight for their home. The Law sends in a swat team, and women and children are killed. Whose fault is it that those people were killed?

Originally posted by blindfaith101
Ok, is it not true, that GOD had promised to Abraham that his seed would be given a certain amount of land? If that promise is true, were not the people living in that land, that was given to the Israelites, tresspassing? They had clearly heard what had happened in Egypt. They had clearly heard what had happened to the Egyptian army. They had clearly h ...[text shortened]... swat team, and women and children are killed. Whose fault is it that those people were killed?

A deed to a home is a bit more evidence than saying... "Yo, God gave me this land".

How can you compare these 2 things? Insanity.

ES

Originally posted by blindfaith101
The one known as the devil, satan, and other names. The angels, Powers, Principalities, and others that rebelled against THE WORD OF GOD. All of Creation was created to obey GOD. All of the angels, powers, principalities, mankind, and others were given a choice. That choice was to obey or disobey THE WORD OF GOD. One third of Ceation decided that they did not any longer want to obey THE WORD OF GOD. For that choice there is a price to pay.

Interesting answer, I like it =)

But why did the G-man bother creating the whole 'choice' thing for us. What's the point of technically creating good and evil when he would prefer us all just to be good? To me it seems like creating evil is just baiting us little mortals to be bad... not that we need much persuasion these days! Not only does that give me a weird mental image of God with a little fishing rod trying to catch us out with his evil bait, but it also kinda seems pointless. If the G-man can create anything, then why didn't he just create perfect, little, non-disobeying men? The world would be a much happier place!

Does Hell provide the central heating for Heaven or something, and God needs evil so he can throw a few heathens and disbelievers on the fires below to keep things all nice and toasty up there for him? ;-P

Originally posted by blindfaith101
The one known as the devil, satan, and other names. The angels, Powers, Principalities, and others that rebelled against THE WORD OF GOD. All of Creation was created to obey GOD. All of the angels, powers, principalities, mankind, and others were given a choice. That choice was to obey or disobey THE WORD OF GOD. One third of Ceation decided that they did not any longer want to obey THE WORD OF GOD. For that choice there is a price to pay.

Well, this can't be true. If all of Creation was made to obey God and all of Creation failed to do so, then God messed up. Since God cannot mess up for God is by definition the essence of perfection, your little rant is made null and void.

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Originally posted by blindfaith101
Ok, is it not true, that GOD had promised to Abraham that his seed would be given a certain amount of land? If that promise is true, were not the people living in that land, that was given to the Israelites, tresspassing? They had clearly heard what had happened in Egypt. They had clearly heard what had happened to the Egyptian army. They had clearly h ...[text shortened]... swat team, and women and children are killed. Whose fault is it that those people were killed?

Alright. I just remembered why I had decided not to respond to your posts anymore. Anyone who can compare trespassing to genocide in such a horrible metaphor is certainly worth ignoring.

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Originally posted by blindfaith101
Ok, is it not true, that GOD had promised to Abraham that his seed would be given a certain amount of land? If that promise is true, were not the people living in that land, that was given to the Israelites, tresspassing? They had cle ...[text shortened]... dren are killed. Whose fault is it that those people were killed?

Is this kinda like when the Christian crusaders took back Jerusalem for Christ, and slaughtered just about everybody—men, women, children; Muslims and Jews?

Whose fault is it that those people were killed?

Um…the folks that killed them? (Assuming this story is historically true. Most historians, including Jewish ones, seem to think that the Israelites trickled into these lands, settling more or less peacefully among their neighbors; there may have been some conflicts, but no all out war for the land. You might want to check out Chaim Potok’s Wanderings for a history by a Jewish Rabbi and author.)

Originally posted by blindfaith101
Ok, is it not true, that GOD had promised to Abraham that his seed would be given a certain amount of land? If that promise is true, were not the people living in that land, that was given to the Israelites, tresspassing? They had clearly heard what had happened in Egypt. They had clearly heard what had happened to the Egyptian army. They had clearly h ...[text shortened]... swat team, and women and children are killed. Whose fault is it that those people were killed?

All I can say is: 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Originally posted by vistesd
Is this kinda like when the Christian crusaders took back Jerusalem for Christ, and slaughtered just about everybody—men, women, children; Muslims and Jews?

[b]Whose fault is it that those people were killed?

Um…the folks that ki ...[text shortened]... s Wanderings for a history by a Jewish Rabbi and author.)
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Finally somebody shows the ramifications of the bible allowing slaughter of children. Crusades etc.

I always figure if God wanted people to get dead, He'd make them dead Himself and save the faithful the trauma of killing another human being, an act that does have lasting negative effects on people.

Even if Joshua is historically accurate , it would indicate a barbaric custom of ancient peoples having nothing to do with God or present day Jewry ( is Jewry a proper term?)

BTW Horn in Sumerian is QANNU

edit....do these sumerian words have any significance? Old - LABIRU or RABI

Originally posted by no1marauder
If it helps, here's two examples of God's commands to show the difference between good and evil:

Sticking sword into Midianite baby - GOOD

Eating shellfish - EVIL

Jesus never had anyone kill or even hurt anyone else. Jesus also said "Whoever is under me is not under the law (of sin and death)" and "There is nothing outside of a person that can defile him by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles him.”