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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThey were picked on the basis of their righteousness. God selected these people. Eg Nathanael: " .. Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! ..". So Nathanael was righteous in the sight of God.
Can we discuss that after you respond to the OP?
There are/were good people all over the world from Adam to now.. good people that do good works and live righteously. How they become righteous seem to be your problem. I dont know why that is an issue. What is important is that they are.
The following is worth considering:
Nobody is is righteous enough for the gift of eternal life from God. But to get the gift of eternal life, one must meet some minimum level of righteousness as defined by Jesus. Claiming to believe and to have faith is insufficient as the bible states clearly several times.
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Originally posted by Rajk999So actually Jesus didn't have to die for all the good people?
They were picked on the basis of their righteousness. God selected these people. Eg Nathanael: " .. Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! ..". So Nathanael was righteous in the sight of God.
There are/were good people all over the world from Adam to now.. good people that do good works and live righteously. How they become righteous s ...[text shortened]... Claiming to believe and to have faith is insufficient as the bible states clearly several times.
How do you interpret "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?"
Originally posted by Rajk999I see you went back and edited your post. Let's take your edited post:
I never said that.
Nobody is is righteous enough for the gift of eternal life from God. But to get the gift of eternal life, one must meet some minimum level of righteousness as defined by Jesus.
If the first sentence is true, then second one can't be true. It makes no sense.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou have a short memory because these questions you asked before and I responded.
I see you went back and edited your post. Let's take your edited post:
[b]Nobody is is righteous enough for the gift of eternal life from God. But to get the gift of eternal life, one must meet some minimum level of righteousness as defined by Jesus.
If the first sentence is true, then second one can't be true. It makes no sense.[/b]
Look .. Im done .
Originally posted by Rajk999Yes and I pointed out the contradiction in your response, i.e. nobody is righteous enough for eternal life but some are righteous enough to meet the minimum level.
You have a short memory because these questions you asked before and I responded.
Look .. Im done .
You are welcome to believe something that doesn't make sense. That is your choice.
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Originally posted by Rajk999A statement made during the meeting does not mean that was the reason for him being
They were picked on the basis of their righteousness. God selected these people. Eg Nathanael: " .. Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! ..". So Nathanael was righteous in the sight of God.
There are/were good people all over the world from Adam to now.. good people that do good works and live righteously. How they become righteous s ...[text shortened]... Claiming to believe and to have faith is insufficient as the bible states clearly several times.
picked. It is simply a statement about the man, and no guile also does not mean he was
righteous before God, that is you inserting something into scripture that is not there as is
your habit.
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Originally posted by KellyJayWe also see that Peter fell down and besought Jesus to depart from him. He felt deeply unworthy. Who knows the secret sins which were on his conscience.
A statement made during the meeting does not mean that was the reason for him being
picked. It is simply a statement about the man, and no guile also does not mean he was
righteous before God, that is you inserting something into scripture that is not there as is
your habit.
What Rajk999 says of Nathaniel we could not say was true of all the disciples. The arguable leader of them, Peter, confessed on the spot that he was a sinful man.
" And when Simon Peter saw this [the miraculous catch of many fish] he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, Lord. " (Luke 5:8)
We see Jesus praying throughout the entire night when He chose twelve out of the seventy to be apostles. I am sure He was praying for those special ones He would choose.
Rajk999 should know also that one of them He knew from the beginning, would be a traitor- Judas.
"Jesus answered them, Was it not I who chose you, the twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.
Now He spoke of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, would betray him." (John 6:70,71)
He chose us, not because of works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His own purpose (Titus 3:5)
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Originally posted by sonshipAll people are sinners. Who is arguing that?
We also see that Peter fell down and besought Jesus to depart from him. He felt deeply unworthy. Who knows the secret sins which were on his conscience.
What Rajk999 says of Nathaniel we could not say was true of all the disciples. The arguable leader of them, [b]Peter, confessed on the spot that he was a sinful man.
[quote] " And when Simon P ...[text shortened]... f works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His own purpose [b](Titus 3:5)[/b]
Some are righteous and some are evil, but they are all still sinners.
Jesus knows who they are.
He chose 12 and 11 were righteous and 1 was evil... but all still sinners
Mans righteousness is not righteous enough for God. Again who is arguing that?
Jesus will welcome those who are righteous [sinners] in His estimation into the Kingdom of God.
Jesus will not welcome those who are unrighteous [sinners] into the Kingdom
Jesus said that. Feel free to ague with him if you disagree.
Originally posted by Rajk999Romans 3: 10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
All people are sinners. Who is arguing that?
Some are righteous and some are evil, but they are all still sinners.
Jesus knows who they are.
He chose 12 and 11 were righteous and 1 was evil... but all still sinners
Mans righteousness is not righteous enough for God. Again who is arguing that?
Jesus will welcome those who are righteous [sinners] in His ...[text shortened]... ghteous [sinners] into the Kingdom
Jesus said that. Feel free to ague with him if you disagree.
Do you think Romans 3: 10-12 is a lie?